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  1. gazomg

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    In voyager the ship is constantly travelling home, and gets help from kes to knock years of their journey and other stuff, yet after years of travelling they meet up with talaxians, surely for them to mbe where they are they shoyld have been travelling approx 20 years so unless they left their home decades before how did they get so far ?

    Also if romulans are from the same make up as vulcans , who are supposed to be 5 or 10 times stronger than humans or whatever it is, why are the romulans not the same, in fights they seem only on a par with the humans ?
     
  2. MacLeod

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    For the later perhaps Romulas had weaker gravity than Vulcan. As for the former, take your pick

    1.>Left decades ago and travelled
    2.>Subspace whirly thing.
    3.>Some race like the Preservers transplanted them
    4.>Other

    As for the jumps/shortcuts

    9 500ly curtesy of Kes ("The Gift")
    300ly slip stream tech ("Hope and Fear")
    10 000ly slip stream tech ("Timeless")
    2 500ly Spacial vortex ("Night")
    ~15 000ly Borg transwarp coil ("Dark Frontier")
    ~ 3000ly Graviton Catapult ("Voyager Conspiracy")

    40 300ly or ~40 years off the Journey.
     
  3. David.Blue

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    Re: Romulans

    I agree that Romulus must have less gravity than Vulcan. I concluded that long ago from TOS.
     
  4. gazomg

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    it seemed ridiculous in keeping with the story to have talaxians that far from home and no mention of how they got 40 years of travel away by just traveling.
     
  5. R. Star

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    Plot convenience.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    The Romulans had super strength and agility in J.J.'s Star Trek. On the other hand, weak human Jonathan Archer whupped Vulcans on Enterprise with ease.

    As for the Talaxians, if humans can be spammed around the galaxy, other species can too. It's not like there are big fences in space segragating everyone.
     
  7. Bry_Sinclair

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    Well seeing how late that was in VOY, I doubt the writers even considered (or cared) where the ship was in relation to Talax.

    Probably the backstory is that Seven used her nanoprobes to jury-rig an anti-tachyon phase generator into a chronometric vortex manipulator, which she used to travel through space and time to Talax to instruct a group of Talaxians on how to modify their engines into a quantumwarp slipstream core, which allowed them to travel to the planet, set up a colony and await the arrival of Voyager. Thus Seven is assured her place within the plot structure in some significant way, all with the Doctor tagging along as her "wise-cracking" sidekick. :)
     
  8. gazomg

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    looks that way, a simple if stupid way to end neelix's time on board.

    you would think they would have come up with something better than that
     
  9. DonIago

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    Clearly in the future Neelix pulls an Admiral Janeway, traveling back through space and time to Talax and giving the relevant individuals the information and technology they'll need to make it to where he'll find them in their future and his past.
     
  10. The Old Mixer

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    Vulcans were only ever said to have 2 (TOS) or 3 (DS9) times human strength.
     
  11. Commishsleer

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    I was wondering how the Kazon kept up with Voyager when presumably she was heading full pelt toward Alpha Quadrant. I mean there was enough time for a baby to be created and shown to Chakotay. Was this explained?
     
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  12. Finn

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    Have we seen a Romulan fight a Human?
     
  13. Green Shirt

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    The ride home from anywhere is always faster. :techman:
     
  14. Commishsleer

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    All the fights in ST09 were Romulan-human excepting for Spock's Vulcan on Vulcan stuff.

    Edit: Sorry there were heaps on non-Romulan fights in ST09. But there were also Romulan-Human fights
     
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  15. MacLeod

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    Nope VOY was cruising along at something like Warp 6/7.
     
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    Voyager was making extended stops practically every week. Nonetheless, if they were consistently traveling in a single direction at a decent pace, the Kazon would have to have been pursuing them doggedly to keep running into them like that.
     
  17. DonIago

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    Now I'm thinking it might have been mildly amusing if the Kazon had managed to follow them all the way into Borg space only to get swatted down by a cube Mars Defense Perimeter-style.
     
  18. Nightdiamond

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    Voyager travelling all that distance and yet turning around and meeting the Kazon doesn't seem to make sense.

    I think Voyager had been travelling a year and a half from Kazon Space before they decided to 'turn back' to rescue Chakotey's 'baby'.

    But one problem is that in that area, Tom Paris talked to some Talaxians and convinced them to help.

    That means the Talaxians were in this area, one and half years away from where Voyager first met Neelix.

    Another odd one is Seska's decision--she wants to survive in the delta quadrant and get home to as soon as possible.

    Why would she choose to stay with the Kazon, who dont have replicator or transporter technology? They wanted Voyager more than Voyager needed them.
     
  19. JirinPanthosa

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    Voyager's cruising speed was around warp 8, that's why the 1000ly/year convention.

    With the Talaxians they had been traveling for a very long time but don't know how they got around Borg space. Maybe they happened across a wormhole.

    Another kind of odd thing is the way the Hirogen appear in both season 4 and season 7 with massive jumps in between. That makes far less sense than the Talaxians appearing. Or if the Hirogen can really travel that fast Voyager should have perhaps asked for the technology.
     
  20. gazomg

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    as you say the hirogen and talaxians just turn up, this after voyager had to go through borg space

    not only that, they just appear and no valid excuses or reasons given, totally ridiculous