How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Ian Keldon, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. Crisp Crinkle

    Crisp Crinkle Admiral Admiral

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    No, it doesn't. People aren't obliged to cosplay according to your rules.
     
  2. SantaEddie74

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    Politicians are occasionally evil. They wear suits and ties.

    If you enjoy politics and wear a suit and a tie you are endorsing evil. After all, you're dressed just like an evil person and displaying an interest in the system in which they participate.
     
  3. SeerSGB

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    as someone mentioned up thread: Luke was trying to get into the Imperial Academy. Why? Cause it was a way out of the shit-hole that was Tattooine. Going by the EU how many innocent slaves and contractors did Luke & Co. kill when they destroyed both Death Stars?

    What about Clone Troopers: Breed to fight and die, and that's it. The Jedi didn't need to use them, they could have fought the war with Battle Droids like the CIS did, but they put slaves (yes slaves) on the front lines to die for the Republic--with little to no say in the matter. How are they morally superior to the Empire? And really, I don't recall the Empire committing an act of Genocide in the movies (I think that's a lot of EU stuff, isn't it?). The Republic/Empire took out the Jedi...who were a religious group that was plotting to overthrow (as far as the people knew) a duly elected leader during a time of war.

    Edit: Forgot about Aldeeran, but you could make a case that that was Tarkin's call, not necessairly Imperial policy--if you really wanted to argue it.

    On those planets that Kirk destroyed the control computers on, how many people were killed in the aftermath and social upheavel? Picard and Janeway both put plans in place to release viruses to wipe out the Borg--only Janeway had the balls to use her weapon. Sisko posioned a whole planet to stop the Maquis, aided in the Murder of a Romulan senator, should people not cos-play as Starfleet Captains at 'cons?

    I can't figure out if this thread is serious, or if the OP is just taking a piss and getting a laugh.

    "I Borg" - The computer virus he planned to unleash on the Borg and then pussed out about at the last minute. Not such much "did" as was willing to cause he got weepy over Hugh--I cause all Borg as scum but Hugh was one of the "good ones". So at the least, he's a racist :lol:*

    (Disclaimer: TNG and TOS are my two favorite Trek series, I'm just pointing out how you can make any fictional character evil if you look hard enough)
     
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  4. SG-17

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    So if you dress up as Amon then it means you want to destroy all bending, not that you think his uniform is cool?


    I see now... who let you out of Arkham?



    Amon's story is tragic, not evil. Then you have situations like Darth Vader. If you dress up as him, then you are supporting genocide? But what about the fact that he was the Chosen One and killed the Emperor?


    Your logic is nonexistent.
     
  5. M'Sharak

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    Sorry, no. That's utter nonsense.

    And this:
    is very poor form.
     
  6. Kegg

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    So are you aproving of the Transformers with your avatar?

    Because I have Wixibian as my avatar as a bit of self-deprecation.
     
  7. Professor Zoom

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    So it "humanizes" them? So what? It doesn't make them less evil, less corrupt or less horrible.

    It was a compelling story. And they fact they were humanized, made it even MORE compelling.

    I'm sorry that fiction isn't all rainbows and swirling mustaches. Some people like grown up stories. And that means human complex characters who might do bad things.

    And I doubt anyone with half a brain saw the Sopranos and said, Hey, I think I'm going to create a mob.
     
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    Why am I not surprised? Worried it would be seen as support for the human sacrificing Druids?
     
  10. MacLeod

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    How is dressing up as a make believe character supporting a particular viewpoint?
     
  11. SantaEddie74

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    If you guys see anybody dressed and made up to like a vampire for Halloween make sure to get on your smartphones and call the local cops. That adult or even child is guilty of hate crimes for visually endorsing an undead monster that preys on the living...a statistical minority when you think about how many humans have lived throughout the history of our species.

    Chant it with me:

    "Trick or Treat!! The living aren't Meat!!"

    "Trick or Treat!! The living aren't Meat!!"
     
  12. Gaith

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    I personally'd far sooner join a Jedi dress-up group than a stormtrooper group, partly for the reasons Ian Keldon cited. Still, If one wants to get perturbed about something Star Wars, how about Lucas taking a trilogy of lighthearted adventure movies and spinning them off into a fairly gruesome, nearly all-combat, all-the-time Band of (Manufactured) Brothers kids' show? I feel sorry for the younglings who, after seeing dozens of Jedi and hundreds of clones mown down, will then watch ANH for the first time and say "what is this cheesy, turtle-paced crap?!".

    The Clone Wars does not feel like the Star Wars I grew up with, and I wouldn't let a tyke of mine watch it. I think that all that unnervingly realistic violence (far more than the bloodless, helmeted 'trooper kills of the OT) is much more worthy of concern than some innocent dress-up at the occasional con or special event.
     
  13. Retu

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    Majority of Wehrmacht soldiers were conscripted, so they had to serve whether they were fanatical, genocidal fascists or not. Were stormtroopers an all volunteer force or were some or all of them drafted?
     
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    Okay, I'll give you that "Clone Wars" isn't really a kiddie show. But has 'Wars been aimed at kids, really, for the last few years? I'd say they were shouting for the market that grew up with the movies, but missed why people still love the originals. Lucas forgot the "fairy tale" part of his concept of a "fairy tale for the current generation"

    Bullshit, the wife loves it when I ea....oh that's not what you meant, never mind.
     
  15. SeerSGB

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    According to the EU, some joined up cause it was the best way to get out of their shitty lives (re: Luke), some joined up cause they wanted to serve the Empire, some were drafted. In short, a lot like the real military in a lot of cases.
     
  16. SG-17

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    Indeed. The Wehrmacht, Kriegsmarine, and Luftwaffe were not Nazis. Only the Schutzstaffel required Nazi Party membership.


    From what I remember about the Empire, the clone soldiers were of course drafted but non-clone stormtroopers seem to be, at least partially, a volunteer force.
     
  17. SantaEddie74

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    By the time of the full scale Galactic Civil War (ca. 1 BBY - 4 ABY) the Empire recruited troopers and officers from human societies spread throughout Imperial territory and even outside it as evidenced by Biggs joining the Academy and Luke wanting to in spite of Tatooine being an Outer Rim planet not officially annexed and incorporated into the Empire itself (it remained under the nominal control of the Hutt criminal organization).

    Clones were still in use at the time of the Original Trilogy, but to a significantly lesser extent in the wake of mass recruiting drives undertaken by the Emperor and his top-ranking officers as the Empire expanded and grew more powerful.
     
  18. Temis the Vorta

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    I really hate it when imaginative fan interpetations of the prequels are lots better than the actual prequels themselves. :D

    Stormtroopers are not evil in and of themselves, but this is going too far!!!
     
  19. Ríu ríu chíu

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    IIRC, Nazi party membership was actually forbidden for members of the regular German military, most of whom actively disliked Hitler and his ilk anyway.
     
  20. Temis the Vorta

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    Even if they were volunteers, so what? The Empire controlled all media in the galaxy. The Emporer could easily portray himself as the defender of individual rights and secular humanism against the Taliban, sorry, Jedi, and 99.99999999% of the population would believe him, especially the younger people who would remember no other government.

    And even the older ones would remember civil war, corruption, chaos and how the supposedly saintly Jedi countenanced the manufacture of clones as cannon fodder.

    Plus, we don't know what economic conditions were like on any given world. Maybe people really did hate the Empire but the military paid well and family members were depending on that paycheck.