How Atlantis SHOULD have been..

Discussion in 'Stargate' started by Morpheus 02, Aug 24, 2008.

  1. hxclespaulplayer

    hxclespaulplayer Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 27, 2008
    Women... *rolls eyes*

    being waiting to roll my eyes at a woman in that context. If I wanted to see Teyla take off her shirt, I'd be called sexist :P
  2. USS Kongo

    USS Kongo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 25, 2006
    1: Atlantis should have remained cut off from earth for far longer than just the first season. In retospect, the first season of this series is turning out to be one of the best just for that reason, IMO.

    2: They should not have killed off Beckett.

    3: No frigging replicators.

    4: They should have kept Weir.

  3. Jono

    Jono Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 22, 2001
    Probably won't be a popular opinion but when the Ori were introduced into SG-1 I thought it would have been great to also push them into Atlantis
  4. Morpheus 02

    Morpheus 02 Commodore Commodore

    Feb 3, 2003
    Chicago IL

    That would have been an interesting concept...wondering how that would fit in terms of earthlings being exposed to them, however, and starting the legend.

    i would imagine that there would be some time traveling in addition to the travel from Pegasus...
  5. Borg451

    Borg451 Captain

    Jun 6, 2007
    Teyla needs to get her shirt off more
  6. explodingmuffin

    explodingmuffin Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Aug 31, 2008
    Las Vegas, NV
    I think what really ruined the show was all the character shuffling. I thought the show was amazing at first; it had a really fresh feel to it, being in a long-lost city of a somewhat mysterious alien race instead of just a military base. I liked all the main characters a lot, personally.

    But they had to mess up their little family, getting rid of Weir and Beckett was a bad idea, and bringing on Sam and Woolsey (much as I love Robert Picardo) was just bad. The Replicators were annoying, I thought we got rid of them in the last show? They just seem like those ants that invade your house every summer that you just can't kill completely. Bringing back Beckett was good, but trying to sort of bring back Weir was weird.

    They shouldn't have made a ton of changes to this show. It was fine the way it was.

    Just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm so sad they ruined a good show like that >.<
  7. MeanJoePhaser

    MeanJoePhaser Admiral

    Aug 21, 2003
    Missile Command
    1. I agree with no replicators.

    2. Keep Beckett.

    3. Add a sleazy, well-travelled informant character, like Huggy Bear or Quark

    4. More of Richard Kind's Harry Mudd wannabe.

    5. Find a better character than Ronan. Why does "warrior" = "dumb thug"?

    6. Dump the wraith entirely at some point.

    7. Add a blonde, busty cyborg chick.
  8. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 20, 2007
    The rest of this forum will crucify you. It's been nice knowing you! :lol:
  9. cylkoth

    cylkoth Commodore Commodore

    Jan 16, 2003
    Hey, they can always import Vala's daddy to the Pegasus Galaxy... Team him up with Luciuos. Comedic hilarity ensues. :devil:

    Runs and hides... :p
  10. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Oct 8, 2005
    Los Angeles, California
    Well, I'm bringing the torches. :lol:
  11. Serial thread killer

    Serial thread killer Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 20, 2003
  12. Romulan_spy

    Romulan_spy Commodore Commodore

    Sep 8, 2000
    Terre Haute, IN. USA
    I think Atlantis should have done the following:
    - Not messed up Ford.
    - Not killed Becket.
    - Not killed Weir.
    - Put more emphasis on the characters rather than lots of action (episodes like "Before I sleep", "Letters to Pegasus" or "The Shrine").
    - Not given Atlantis 3 ZPM's or an Ancient ship only to take it away right away. Instead, there should have been a more gradual progression. Eventually, toward the end of the show, Atlantis would be fully powered and fully capable.
    - Stuck with the Wraith threat instead of introducing the Replicators. If they had introduced the Replicators, they should have been more like the bugs in SG1. I think the bugs were more menacing than the human form.
    - Introduced a story arc whereby the Atlantis team puts together a great alliance of humans (Genii and others) against the Wraith (like what Sheridan did in B5 against the Shadows). Atlantis would eventually play a role similar to the Babylon 5 station. It would become a nexus where humans come together for diplomacy and for coordinating the war against the Wraith.

    Basically, I think the show should have focused on the Atlantis team exploring the history of the Ancients in the Pegasus galaxy. The overall story arc should have been that the Atlantis team overcomes incredible challenges to eventually become the true successors of the Ancients: bringing Atlantis back to its former glory, defeating the Wraith and laying the groundwork for what will become a new era of peace for the Pegasus galaxy, thus fulfilling the legacy of the Ancients.
  13. hxclespaulplayer

    hxclespaulplayer Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 27, 2008
    What's wrong with Teyla? Bring back Wier, mmm... :drool:
  14. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Oct 8, 2005
    Los Angeles, California
    The fact that she has absolutely no chemistry with anyone in the cast, no charisma of her own, and Rachel Lutrell is completely devoid of any ability to act counts against her just a bit.
  15. blockaderunner

    blockaderunner Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 16, 2001
    Seattle, Washington, USA
    I guess I'm the only person who thought that establishing contact with Earth sooner than expected was a good idea. If they didn't then it would have been another Voyager-esque unlimited supplies situation. At least with regular contact with Earth, it was one less thing the writers had to worry about (let's face it, only nuBSG has been able to write good stories about limited resources). Plus, it kept both 'gate shows tied together (something none of the modern Trek shows had been able to do that didn't have the foul stench of a ratings stunt).

    As for things that should have been, like most people, I would have like to have seen Jackson more. I mean, He's a linguist with an interest in the Ancients and he was among them for a while. It would have been natural for him to be more of a presence there, if not take over once Wier was gone.

    Also, they could have pulled back on the Wraith after their initial introduction and make them this unknowable background threat, thereby making them more ominous and scary. I thought that this would have been the chance for the SG:A writers to show the Trek writers how the Borg should have been done. As for a good, knowable advaersary, they could have focused on the Genii as the main villan. They were just humans that were very agressive and overly paranoid with the facade of an agrarian society. In some cases, they were scarier than the Wraith because, under the right circumstances, the Atlantis expedition could have been the Genii.

    Also, they could have found a way to bring Robert Patrick's character of Colonel Sumner back for episode or two. They were able to bring back Kowalski in SG1. Why not Sumner?
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2008
  16. bullethead

    bullethead Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 24, 2008
    0-This really wouldn't affect Atlantis for a few seasons, but I would've had the Stargate go public after The Lost City, which would affect the type of aid received by the expedition after they inevitably reestablish contact with Earth.
    1- Make Atlantis larger, about 21km in diameter, with facilities to totally rebuild a civilization in another galaxy. I would've also had be a lot more sturdy than the show has portrayed it and totally one of a kind, not just another city ship that the Ancients made.
    2-The Wraith are biological intergalactic communications system gone bad, due to floating between galaxies for thousands, maybe millions of years. They ended up in Pegasus shortly after the Ancients seeded the galaxy with life and found the human population to be a convenient resource, useful for food and as the basis of the main computer of hiveships and cruisers. They wouldn't be introduced until the midseason two-parter.
    3-The Atlantis expedition would have more international members in the military and civilian forces and have brought along a lot of supplies (including naquadah nukes and zats) and some manufacturing capabilities, as the expedition was seen as a long term colonization effort by its planners. They wouldn't regain contact with Earth until the end of season three.
    4-Colonel Sumner would be British SAS and wouldn't die until the end of season one, which would be "The Storm."
    5-Sheppard would be more like Yossarian from Catch 22, because of what happened to some of his friends in Afghanistan.
    6-Ford would be some guy who's got more experience than Sheppard dealing with friendly offworld groups, but pretty green in terms of combat. McKAy would be the same.
    7-The Athosians would be more of a nomadic group, staying on a world only long enough to harvest some crops before heading to one of the few safe uninhabited worlds to avoid the Wraith. Teyla became one of their leaders, along with Halling, after the old leaders died from some disease a few months before the expedition came to Pegasus. The Athosians would stay on Atlantis after the place they were living at gets hit with a flash flood, since it provides a significantly higher standard of living than 90% of the galaxy.
    8-The introduction of the Genii would occur in the first part of the midseason two parter, as a pragmatic bunch of humans with the agrarian front and underground civilization. Sheppard's team and a bunch of Genii commandos go to the Keeper's hive and manage to recover a hard drive and use a naqauadah nuke to vaporize the ship, but miss the nearby cruisers, which send a general message to all Wraith in the galaxy. Knowing that it will take up to a few years for their message to be received (due to their slow subspace comm speed), the cruisers set out for Atlantis, the most likely threat.
    9-The expedition decides to make allies with as many human socities as possible, including the people from "Poisoning the Well". Along the line, they visit a world under the control of the Confederation, a totalitarian regime that has mostly Genii level technology, but also has some Ancient technology.
    10-Back on Lantea, the expedition finds an underground hangar with a specially fit Ancient destroyer (one of those smaller ships the Asurans use) for recon missions called the Hyperion. The onboard AI initially mistakes them for intruders and takes the ship into orbit, cutting them off from Atlantis until they convince the AI that they aren't hostile.
    11-Koyla appears in "The Storm" as a Confederation spy in the Genii ranks, ordered to take Atlantis when it is evacuated because of the super hurricane. Koyla and a team of loyal soldiers pretend to be offering aid, then kill the soldiers guarding the Gate room. Colonel Sumner locks out the city's systems before being captured and tortured by Koyla.
    12-Season 2 begins with "The Eye" happening pretty much as it does in the show.
    13-Atlantis and the Genii become concerned about the threat that the Confederation poses and begin searching for its headquarters. Meanwhile, Atlantis continues building up its alliances in the galaxy.
    14-Ronon appears in the first part of midseason finale: "Runner," as a Satedan soldier driven insane after spending seven years without a lot of human interaction, except for the Traveler who gave him his gun and a gate address that Ronon never went to because he feared that he would doom those people. After he gets the Wraith tracking device taken out of him, he asks to go back to Sateda to find out what happened to people placed in disaster shelters with supplies for ten years.
    15- In part two, "Sateda," Sheppard and company take the Hyperion to Sateda and discover that the Satedans managed to damage the attacking Wraith cruiser enough to cause it to crash outside the capital. The remnants of the Satedan military have been fighting an uncoordinated guerilla war against the Wraith, which ends when the Hyperion blows up the cruiser and evacuates the Satedans to Atlantis, where Ronon is reunited with his wife, whom he married the day before the Wraith came.
    16-The Satedans decide to remain on Atlantis, with the remnants of the Satedan military being lead by Ronon, who is the pretty much the only officer left in their chain of command, joining the expedition's miltary contingent.
    17-The season 2 finale/season 3 premiere would have Sheppard's team getting captured by the Confederation and being sent to a gulag planet, where a group of Travelers are being kept after they contacted a man named Lucius, who happened to have an Ancient city ship. Ronon suggests they dial the address he got from the Traveler he met, which happens to be where Sheppard's team and the Travelers are. Ronon leads a Satedan/Expedition assault to free Sheppard's team and destroys the base after rescuing all the prisoners.
  17. Broccoli

    Broccoli Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 3, 2001
    You know, I kinda wondered if the Ori would have been better suited for Atlantis. If they were introduced on that show, I would hold back on the reveal that the Ori were "bad ancients". Just make the Ori forces in the first two seasons or so be religious zealots bent on everyone in Pegasus thinking their way.
  18. Swarles Barkley

    Swarles Barkley Commodore Commodore

    Jul 11, 2001
    The Hub of the Universe
    Aren't the Wraith just a variation on the vampire legend? (Don't get me wrong, I like your idea, and I think the show could have been very interesting had they gone more in this direction. Just giving them a little credit where credit is due.)
  19. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Oct 30, 1999
    SG-1 never explored anyone's mythology in a real sense. They used some window-dressing elements like names, pyramids, etc, but it was all too generic to have any real substance.

    And yes, the Wraith are a variation on the vampire legend, just not a very interesting variation. So are the Goa'uld - I'd give SG-1 more credit for exploring the vampire legend via the Goa'uld than for exploring Egyptian mythology.
  20. DWF

    DWF Admiral Admiral

    May 19, 2001
    Columbus, Ohio
    The point was to de-mystify the ancient mythologies not to affirm them.