Heroes 3x19 "Shades of Gray" Discuss and Grade

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Dream, Mar 9, 2009.

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Grade the episode

  1. Excellent

    8.8%
  2. Above Average

    47.4%
  3. Average

    28.1%
  4. Below Average

    5.3%
  5. Poor

    10.5%
  1. Dorian Thompson

    Dorian Thompson Admiral Admiral

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    Fuller better be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat and do magic. Another series low last night. 6.63 million in fast nationals. 3.2 in the demo.
     
  2. Hermiod

    Hermiod Admiral Admiral

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    Above Average - The Peter/Hiro Nerf Modifier = Average.

    I want to see Sylar storm Building 26, take their files and then destroy them.
     
  3. Aragorn

    Aragorn Admiral Admiral

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    If I didn't like the actors, I don't know if I'd still be watching. This was really bad.

    Doyle didn't need Claire's help, especially since he can do infinitely more than she can.

    And law enforcement on this show is a joke. "Guy with bomb! Let's shoot him!"
     
  4. Daneel

    Daneel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm kind of hovering between average and above average... but I'm feeling generous, so I went with the latter. It was a bit better than most of the episodes of late.

    Not bad. Seems to be picking up and really going somewhere now. John Glover was good -- Sylar's dad seems to be an older and more world-weary version of Sylar himself, and meeting him has apparently given Sylar some sort of new drive, a new goal -- something to aspire to not be. Is he going to form some sort of unholy alliance with Danko in his new quest for ultimate power?

    So now that Nathan is "outed", will he join the resistance? This has the potential for interesting drama... provided the writers don't screw it up (fingers crossed for a miracle).

    Claire wasn't too annoying this week, although Doyle was a bit wasted in her storyline. Her new job is certainly atypical for a cheerleader -- the joke about a hot blond girl working in a comic book store was certainly obvious, but kind of amusing nonetheless (well, to me anyway).

    Looking forward to the next episode.
     
  5. Darth_Pinche

    Darth_Pinche Captain Captain

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    Blah...I'm tired of the lazy writing. As mentioned before by someone else, how did Hiro and Ando travel around without the anti-mutant police picking them up on traffic cameras, border checkpoints, etc. I think the big reveal at the end of the season will be that Ando has been supercharging the suckiness of the show all along.
     
  6. Mr Light

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    Temis: the next episode is the only one WRITTEN by Bryan Fuller, but this episode was the first one since he returned to the show. So what degree of influence he had on this episode is completely up for debate.
     
  7. Captain Mike

    Captain Mike Commodore Commodore

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    I am so glad most of you do not write for this show. It would have tanked at season 2. :)
     
  8. Aragorn

    Aragorn Admiral Admiral

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    The way this season's been going, I'm surprised one-dimensional mustache-twirling no-motivation bad guy didn't proclaim, "I knew you had powers, Nathan! From the very beginning, you've been trying to stop me every step of the way! You had no intention on going along with this mission that you started yourself under your own will!"
     
  9. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Matt's really the guy for the job. He can stop Sylar in his tracks just by thinking about it. Doyle could do the same thing but Matt's way is more thorough. Matt should just track down Sylar and command him to kill himself (then burn the body; let's see him resurrect from a pile of ashes!)

    Since Peter still has Matt's powers, maybe they could be a tag team. But what I really want from this show is for the writers to think of interesting ways these people can use their powers strategically in fights. Such as:

    Peter and Claire decide to take down Sylar. Peter gloms onto the power of someone with super-vision (sensitive to light). He deliberately lets Sylar track him someplace, an apartment or abandoned building they already have rigged. Claire hides nearby. Sylar slices Peter's head, takes power. Claire gives Peter her healing power before he's completely dead and flips on a light switch - blinding Sylar with arc lights they have set up in advance. Claire or Peter pound a stake into Sylar's neck while he's disoriented, incapacitating him and killing him as much as he can be killed.

    This "poisoned bait" strategm could be used with various powers Peter might come across: super hearing (stun him with loud noise), firestarting (if they open a gas main in the apartment - Sylar tries power, kaboom) or take a page from Lyle's playbook and let Sylar get electrical powers and then push him into a tub full of water.

    However they do it, then they douse him with gasoline and burn him. Then again, maybe that's how he got out of the burning building at the end of the last volume - he was burnt up, but when the obstruction fell out, he re-assembled like a changeling. But it's worth a try and would be way cool to see Sylar re-assemble from ashes. :rommie:

    Okay then that's the acid test. I remember how Manny Coto had to clear away all the Future Guys and Space Nazis when he took over ENT and it took 2-3 eps before it started to really turn around.
    A professional TV show should be a whole lot better than the musings of some random people on teh internets! :rommie:
     
  10. Dorian Thompson

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    The hunter is currently much more convincing and menacing as Wanda's psycho brother on Big Love. Then again, Big Love's writers are a weeeee bit more skilled than the Heroes' writers. :shifty:
     
  11. Aragorn

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    The hunter has had much more challenging roles, both good and bad, though he's more known for the bad -- he was one of the Drazens on season one of 24. Now it's like he's slumming it for a paycheck.
     
  12. Servo

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    Doyle tried that at Primatech back in "Dual", but Sylar broke free of his influence pretty easily.
     
  13. Anwar

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    Doyle's power is pretty much just TK, so send him against a far more powerful TK like Sylar and he's toast.
     
  14. Hermiod

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    Not quite. Doyle's ability allows him to control another person's muscles. Sylar does not actually need to make the hand gestures he makes when using his telekinesis.

    Sylar used his telekinesis to hurt Doyle and break his concentration. Once that was done it was too late for him.

    I'd like to see a Magneto-like reaction from Sylar. Nathan's people are taking away, effectively, his food supply. With Arthur dead and Peter completely nerfed, he's the most powerful of them all. Perhaps he could do as his father suggested and attack Building 26 directly.

    In the meantime, the good people with abilities find out that Sylar is going to attack (maybe through one of Matt's paintings) and try to stop him, knowing that such an attack would give Danko all the proof he needs of how dangerous people with abilities are and that Danko's people have no chance against Sylar.
     
  15. melancholymecha

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    Micah better be Rebel . . . way back in the season premier 'pre-show' the kid who plays Micah appeared a couple times
     
  17. WeAreTheBorg

    WeAreTheBorg Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Slightly better than usual. Almost decent TV this time around. I'm not sure why I still watch this show to be honest... I guess I'm just curious as to how it will unfold.
     
  18. Tom

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    What if Peter were to touch Sylar? Would he just get his base power or all of them since there more integrated in him (vs. one at a time sort of thing) ??
     
  19. Darth_Pazuzu

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    I only voted Above Average because I don't think the show has quite been extricated from the rut of the second through the first half of the third season, but I thought this was fairly decent.

    I gotta say, I'm loving Zeljko Ivanek's portrayal of Danko. Y'know, I've seen this particular actor on TV many times since Homicide: Life On The Street, and up until now no character he's played has ever made me feel quite so...apprehensive as Danko! Ivanek really makes you believe that this character is capable of doing literally anything, and while I did not quite foresee the exact way in which he "outed" Nathan Petrelli, it's a great payoff because it's exactly the sort of cold and calculated gamble we've come to expect Danko to take. (I mean, what if he was wrong about Nathan, right? :lol:) And I must say I loooooved his dinner scene with Angela Petrelli in which she very gently and civilly unleashes some serious ownage on him. Yeah!

    When it comes to Danko, I don't know...I'm feeling conflicted, frankly! On one hand, he's a seriously cool nemesis for the other characters and Ivanek imbues him with this menacingly cold, heartless absolutism that seriously gives Zachary Quinto's Sylar a run for his money. (And that's certainly no easy task!) But on the other hand, I seriously want to see this guy get his just desserts and I'm hoping that even if he's not killed outright later this season, then he's seriously taken down a peg!

    Also, kudos to John Glover for a great performance as Sylar's dad! I also like the twist at the end, with Sylar sparing the old man just to let him live out the remainder of his days in pain and misery!
     
  20. Skywalker

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    Most likely just Sylar's own natural power.