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  1. Christopher

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    ^Wow, in that case the firing-duration myth would come into play as well, since the scene probably took a lot longer than two seconds.
     
  2. chardman

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    Yup, it had the typical Hollywood Endless-clip-o-ammo™.
     
  3. Lonemagpie

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    Is it firing before she drops it? I don't remember - but that would certainly be more plausible.

    It still would run out of ammo before reaching the bottom (30-round clip) and not just fire away from the good guys, of course...

    I'll to dig out the DVD and watch it again. I was pretty sure she dropped and it started on impact. I'll watch the movie and report back...
     
  4. Lonemagpie

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    Some of it was slo-mo, IIRC
     
  5. Forbin

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    Clearest demo I've seen of a MAC 10's best use was as an assassination tool, concealed in a briefcase. A guy walks up to a full-figure target, says "Greetings, Comrade General!" squeezes a handle on his briefcase and squirts 32 rounds into the target's torso in 1.8 seconds.
     
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    Only reason I watch that flick is for Jamie Lee Curtis' "pole dancing" sequence. :drool:

    Sincerely,

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  7. Lonemagpie

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    Well, I've just looked at the scene on the DVD, and this is what happens:

    1) JLC fires, and is knocked back into a crate as the MAC-10 goes off on full auto. This actually takes just about the right amount of time to empty the clip - so that would be an accurate depiction of a slam-fire. Apart from the apparent recoil pushing her backwards.

    2) After another couple of seconds, she drops it, and it starts firing again, despite having not been reloaded, upon impact with the stairs. This is not an accurate representation of a MAC-10 slam-firing.

    3) on the first bounce it does actually keep firing back up the stairs as it tumbles.

    4) it then fires off a short burst upon each impact with a step, mostly towards the approaching bad guys. But a few rounds still go vertically upwards. There are distinct pauses between each burst - not an accurate slam-fire representation.

    5) It reaches the bottom, pauses for a second or two, *then* fires off a single shot back under the stairs, and then stops.

    6) Amazingly, the approaching enemies have all been killed clean outright by this! And JLC isn't harmed.

    So, I call myth busted... The clip would be emptied before the gun was dropped, there's no reason for it to go off on impact, and the amazing accuracy of the random bursts is so statistically improbable that they would pretty much have to be proof of divine intervention...

    But then again, True Lies is definitely a fantasy flick, so why not? I guess Allah just wasn't on the villain's side., but secretly helping the heroes.
     
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  8. Christopher

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    We're talking about a movie where an aboveground nuclear explosion is considered a romantic backdrop... and where a wife forgives her husband for misusing his government resources to abduct her, terrorize her, and make her think she's being threatened and blackmailed into prostituting herself, rather than divorcing the abusive bastard and taking everything he owns. So I think we can agree there's not a trace of credibility anywhere in that piece of garbage.
     
  9. Lonemagpie

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    The problem is the middle third is a (remake of!) a completely different movie... But the action scenes are great.
     
  10. Trekker4747

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    So, I take it you don't like the movie. ;)

    I find it "enjoyable" on a pure "mindless entertainment" front but, yeah, it has a LOT of stupid bits. It's also one of those movies where the consequences of what happens after the movie ends would pretty much change the nature and politics of the world. I'd think most of the world governments would flip the fuck out of a nuclear bomb went off near the Florida Keys.
     
  11. Christopher

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    I loathe it. I wouldn't be quite so upset by the horrific, gratuitous misogyny and the over-the-top right-wing hawkish fantasy if it were from a director I'd expect to see such things from, but James Cameron is the guy who gave us Sarah Connor. Most of his action films have been smarter, more ethically driven, and more respectful of women. So True Lies feels not just like a bad movie, but a betrayal by someone I expected better from.
     
  12. Forbin

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    Yeah, but Tia Carrere was HOT!
    :D
     
  13. Christopher

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    Yes, the women were hot, but deserved better treatment than they got from the men.
     
  14. Forbin

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    Oh, his wife, for sure. And poor little adolescent Eliza Dushku too. But Tia's character was just asking do be dropped off a bridge in a limo. :D
     
  15. Christopher

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    What bugs me, though, is the part early in the movie where Tom Arnold's character refers to Carrere's with a sexist epithet rhyming with "ditch" long before he has any reason to suspect she's a villain. He casually, gratuitously denigrates her for no other reason than that she's female. That was jarring to me.
     
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    I thought it was more that Tom Arnold's character was just an asshole who'd call pretty much any woman he didn't know a bitch. His attitude regarding his own (ex?) wife and Schwarzenegger's wife wasn't much better.
     
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  17. Lonemagpie

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    Yeah, exactly- his character's kind of uncomfortable viewing.
     
  18. Christopher

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    ^Yeah, he's uncomfortable viewing, and the problem is that he fits perfectly with the rest of the movie.

    But anyway, how about those myths?
     
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    I find myself falling more and more in love with Kari each week. I mean... wow. :)
     
  20. Forbin

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    What's not to love? :adore: