Has the Blood & Chrome miniseries aired yet?

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Arpy, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. Jimi_James

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    It's slightly annoying to think that on a shelf somewhere, is the master copy of the completed Blood & Chrome pilot, having never been seen by anyone that didn't work on it. It's just sitting there, completed, and waiting while the executives make up their minds what to do with it.

    At the very least, they could release it on DVD like they did with the Caprica pilot and make some money off it. They could even forgo a DVD and release it directly online through Itunes or some other VOD service and make money on it.

    All that being said, I have little faith in the series, not it's quality because I know talented people were involved in creating it. I have no faith in those that will eventually decide its fate, mainly TPTB at SYFY who are calling the shots. They've proven thier ability to make bad decisions, so why should this be any different.
     
  2. roliver

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    And next to it is the master copy to Bear McCreary's score, which needs to get released no matter what.
     
  3. Delsaber

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    SyFy doesn't know what it has, and therefore keeps killing its own children. It's almost as if they're afraid of success as much as failure, so they'll just continue to rely on the cheap stuff they know works - Mansquito-level TV movies and the WWE - and avoid taking any real risks.

    They are the Sega of basic cable.
     
  4. DarKush

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    I agree with you to some extent. I do think that SyFy is a little risk averse, but at the same time I wonder if they are worried about the potential budget for another Battlestar show. But while they dither, Battlestar gets dimmer in the memory of people. Blood and Chrome really should have followed BSG, but since that didn't happen, it should've come out a year after Caprica.

    At the very least it would be great if they put the webseries out since I'm guessing the pilot is already done.
     
  5. Robert Maxwell

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    BSG was a success--for a while. Then its ratings tapered off and it became a money loser. And it was an expensive show, so they needed those good ratings to sustain it.

    SyFy isn't afraid of success. They are afraid of expensive failures. Cheap failures are easier to recover from. Cheap successes are easier to achieve.
     
  6. Mars

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    Vampire shows are cheap, "blah blah blah, I vant to suck your blood!"

    Battlestar Galactica was a greater success than the original, and they actually ended the show proper rather than just go into a rerun loop as the original did in the 1970s.

    You don't get to see many space operas these days, mostly its shows about modern time investigators running into weird stuff, or some demons or vampires. SyFy is living in the shadow of its former self, if it goes with the cheap and the safe people wonder why it doesn't do shows like Battlestar Galactica anymore.
     
  7. Robert Maxwell

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    SyFy is a business that wants to make money. They do not exist to provide a public service of high quality space opera at a net loss.
     
  8. Sindatur

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    NuBSG wasn't really more successful than the original. The original got decent ratings, but, was too expensive, so it was cancelled. SyFy kept renewing NuBSG at a loss, for the prestige, because it was a critic darling. If not for the Prestige of Critical praise, NuBSG wouldn't have lasted any longer than TOS BSG, because it was too expensive for the ratings it brought in.

    I am definitely happy that NuBSG was allowed to finish it's story, but, that's to SyFy's credit for sticking with it so long, despite it being a loser financially
     
  9. Mars

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    Cause it didn't have "planet of the week" episodes with humanoid aliens with bumps on their heads? BSG was more intelligent with less rubber science than most typical space operas.
     
  10. Mars

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    Well then tell me, how many sci fi shows has PBS offered? Dr Who? I happen to be a fan of hard science fiction and there are precious few examples of that, one in particular was "Defying Gravity", it is interesting seeing how they write science fiction shows that don't have planet of the week episodes. Mostly Defying Gravity was a soap opera set aboard a spaceship, and only had one planetary landing episode and lots of flashbacks. the walk on Venus was very believable.
     
  11. Sindatur

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    I'm not arguing the quality NuBSG absolutely was art, and deserved all it's critical priase. But, that doesn't make it financially successful. If it's not financially successful, it won't last long, unless, in the case of BSG they were willing to take the loss in order to gain the prestige for keeping the show on the air long enough for it to play out. That kind of backfired on them, though, because despite their loyalty to those fans, they did not get the loyalty back from the fans.

    I won't knock TOS BSG, though, because I do have a nostalgic affection for it
     
  12. Robert Maxwell

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    There's not much of a market for it, and the public does not want it. (Those mean the same thing, basically.)
     
  13. Harvey

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    The ratings certainly declined over the life of the show, but I'd say they were at perfectly fine levels for a basic cable network like SyFy until the second part of the third season (you can see a chart of the series' ratings here).

    By that point NBC/Universal (which paid for the series and, importantly, is also the parent company of the SyFy Channel) had already paid for most of the series, and it made financial sense to finish it so that the studio could have a complete product to sell in ancillary markets.

    Critical acclaim likely helped with the series renewal, but ancillary markets, not acclaim, was probably the decisive factor in the show receiving a fourth and final season. (The fact that they shot additional footage for the sole purpose of inclusion on home video more and more as the series progressed indicates how important ancillary markets were to NBC/Universal).
     
  14. Jimi_James

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    Indeed. I love McCreay's scores for BSG. They're in heavy rotation on my pc.
     
  15. Mars

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    Kind of shows you how much of a science education they got as children. How many people bought into Space 1999 in the 1970s for instance? You know how much science is in that one? Zilch! As a kid who didn't know about such things like the speed of light, momentum and inertia, the show was fun, for a 20 something watching the show, he probably would have had to have had a very bad science education to suspend his disbelief about it. I mean, year and explosion of a nuclear waste dump on the Moon causes it to be hurled out of orbit into "Planet of the Week" adventures. Even Star Trek was harder science fiction than that, the existence of a warp drive at least acknowledges that there is a speed of light barrier to get around, as far as Space 1999 was concerned there was no speed of light limit.
     
  16. Mars

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    I'll have to admit, I didn't watch the show much when it was broadcasted, instead I bought the DVDs for all the shows and Caprica, it is easier to appreciate the individual episodes when they are viewed in order, because the combine to tell a single story. Its hard to enjoy an episode without knowing what went on before, and if you miss an episode, you sort of lose incentive to watch the next one, because seeing the next episode would tend to spoil the plot for the previous episode, that might in part explain the Nielsen ratings decline, the other thing is, it is sometimes hard to tell who the good guys are, you don't know whether your getting the "good Kara" or the "bad Kara" that likes to torturer Cylons. The first big turn off of the show was in the Miniseries when Six decided to kill a baby. I have to be careful when I watch that show because I have children.
     
  17. teacake

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    She spared the baby dying in a much worse way shortly after.
     
  18. Mars

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    I don't know about that, war is fairly impersonal killing, going up to a baby and snapping its neck is fairly personal. I'll bet there are a lot of people who couldn't do that but had no problems dropping gravity bombs on Dresden in World War II.
     
  19. teacake

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    You're looking at it from the killer's perspective. From the baby's perspective it could have died quietly in its pram OR it could die in fire and terror with the adults around it screaming.
     
  20. Robert Maxwell

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    Her expression upon the baby's neck snapping seemed like one of surprise. Given that the skinjobs didn't have babies at that time, she'd probably never had close contact with one, and didn't realize how fragile they were. I would chalk it up as an accident, just based on how Helfer played it.
     

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