Green Arrow (CW)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Jetfire, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. FreezeC77

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    Pretty sure we'll get some version of the Norman/Harry Osborne thing repeat itself.

    Probably season ends with Tommy seeing his Dad killed by Oliver or at the very least shot and ended up in a coma. Where Tommy then goes off into training to be able to stand up to the Hood likely not knowing at the time just how bad of a character his Dad was/is.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

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    I can not see Tommy being an effective villain. The type of training he would need to face Oliver would take a very long time. Plus he would know it. He has seen what Oliver can do. He would know he would not be able to stop him. Plus all he would need to do is tell Dectitive Lance Ollie's secret and puts him in jail right away. Tommy taking over for way too obvious and would be totally unbelievable.

    I do not know what they will do. Maybe Tommy should be killed off. That would be more interesting. The effect on Laurel and Oliver. It would become a full out war between Oliver and Malcom.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    At one point?

    Clark answered to Redblueblur for 4 years.
     
  4. Mach5

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    I wouldn't know. I gave up on Smallville after season five or whenever. It becoming bigger and bigger piece of ridiculous junk had a lot to do with it. I only got back to it for the final season. Didn't want to miss Clark put on cape and tights.
     
  5. Crom!

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    The Blur was just a stupid name. Bleuarg!
     
  6. intrinsical

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    I think if the writers want Tommy to turn evil, they would need Tommy to suffer some terrible loss by Oliver's hands. The writers need to do something like what Joss Whedon did in Dr Horrible, kill off Horrible's love interest. And I don't think the writers would ever kill Laurel. I suppose the writers could kill off his father as the reason for his turning, but don't think Tommy loves his father enough to go all evil.
     
  7. Mach5

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    Perhaps if it turned out his dad killed his mom? Wouldn't give him the reason to hate Oliver, but the shock and trauma could be enough to push him over the edge. Again, he does not have to be evil to be the hero's adversary.
     
  8. stj

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    Exactly. The only reason to make Tommy a villain is to copy something from the comics, whether Spider-Man or Green Arrow.

    Also, does anyone really think that John Barrowman isn't an adequate villain, except for not having the same name or whatever as one villain in a comic?

    Also, if Tommy's a good man, then Oliver has a choice to make as to pursuing Laurel. If Tommy is a villain, it's a no-brainer. Characters making the obvious choice is not compelling drama (as witness Oliver's choice to skillz up and harden his ass on the island.)

    Also, Laurel is a weak character in many respects. Having the maturity to go for the guy who treats her well, instead of wallowing in drama about the bad boy, at least makes her seem like she's out of high school.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

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    Exactly, John Barrowman is fantastic. I had never even heard of him before seeing him on this show. Anything that would remove him from the show would be a huge mistake.

    Maybe people assume he will leave because he is guest star and he is too busy with other work?
     
  10. Timelord Victorious

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    You should check him out in Doctor Who then.:)
     
  11. Mach5

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    Dunno, he's OK, but I don't see much of a charisma there.

    Speaking of charisma, Manu Bennett is outstanding and I was thrilled to hear they cast him as a regular for season 2. The guy playing detective Lance is pretty good too.

    Giving up on the one you love (and who loves you back) for someone that is objectively "right" for you? How depressing. And unfair to this person you "settled" for.
     
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  12. Beagleman

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    Manu Bennett is really awesome, I've never seen him in anything before Spartacus and now Arrow but he is quite an impressive actor with a lot of range, hope he has a great career in front of him.
     
  13. stj

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    True love defined ast overwhelming passion is very romantic. But the fact is that Oliver loves his crusade/revenge more than he "loves" Laurel, while Tommy actually treats Laurel with genuine love, which includes respect, even if that doesn't make her toes curl up. Oliver cheated on her with her sister. What Laurel feels for Oliver is romantic infatuation, not love. The relationship wtih Oliver that we've seen isn't a rich emotional life, it's just drama. It may be exciting, and it may be romantic, but it ain't love.
     
  14. SG-17

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    I think that Tommy would end up being a hands-off villain. Someone who calls the shots and provides the money. Not actually getting his own hands dirty.
     
  15. Mach5

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    Doesn't change the fact that Merlyn is a textbook rebound guy. This is why he left in the end. He deserves better and he knows it.
     
  16. stj

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    I thought he left because he was afraid that once she knew, Laurel would throw away her pride and put up with Oliver's preference for crusading, yet there was no way to keep the secret without abusing her like Oliver. Tommy struggles with feelings of inferiority. By high school standards of course Tommy's a total loser.

    She's five years into the rebound. If the series really means Tommy to be the rebound guy, then they also really mean that Laurel is pretty much all Wuthering Heights of Emo.
     
  17. LaxScrutiny

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    I completely agree. It took Ollie 5 years in extreme conditions being trained by increadibly skilled companions, Slade and Shado, who he was living with 24/7. If Tommy ends up as a comparable adversary in one season it would be ridiculous.

    But deeper than that, Tommy "broke up" with Ollie in part because he just doesn't get who Ollie is now. He has issues with Ollie being a killer. Even though Ollie has saved Tommy, his dad, and Laurel, Tommy cannot wrap his head around who and what Ollie is now. If Tommy has some kind of epiphany, or a fall from grace, either way he will understand Ollie and have no reason to keep himself separate.

    Tommy hated his dad for years, and has suddenly been driven back to him by Ollie. Yes, it makes for compelling drama, but if he becomes the "dark Ollie" he loses the reasons for the break up in the first place. It will take something really serious, like Ollie torturing Tommy's dad for hours, in front of Tommy, to make such a transition believable.

    I could see Tommy dieing in a way that Ollie blames Malcolm and Malcolm blames Ollie. This sets the stage for huge level of animosity between them.

    As it stands, Tommy is helpless. He is either dependant on Malcolm or dependant on Ollie. He isn't a powerful enough personality to be a threat to anyone. It would be like Thea suddenly turning into a master assassin.
    I love this point.
     
  18. Lighthammer

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    Oh nice, there's a pretty good discussion brewing here, I hadn't thought to look here for it till just now.

    Anywhoo, the last episode of this season is titled "Sacrifice". With what happened last week, that could end up meaning a lot of things.

    From the Tommy discussion, I think one expectation is either that Borrowman's character will sacrifice himself for Tommy and entrust his legacy to him or Tommy will sacrifice himself for his dad. That seems to me what could be the big send off for next season.

    Like wise, a few other possible sacrifices spring to mind. All could happen or none could happen. It feels like it's a little too early to "accurately" guess just now.

    The other potential "sacrifices" that spring to mind are:

    Thea some how sacrificing herself some how to save Roy in a way that he ends up as Ollie's sidekick / partner (In this case I don't even think she needs to die necessarily). That seems like a strong possibility.

    Moira Queen sacrifices herself in some capacity to stop Malcolm's plans (this seems fairly likely to me just now).

    Someone on the island sacrifices themself and seems to die (Slade or Shado in this case, probably most likely Shado in my mind just now).

    Diggle sacrifices himself for .... something. Diggle is the biggest mystery right now because he's not based directly on any DC Character.
     
  19. Aeolusdallas

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    They will probably make him Red Arrow and Thea as speedy
     
  20. JD

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    I never thought of that. I had been thinking it was going to be an either or thing with Thea and Roy, but I guess there is no reason why they couldn't both end up working with him.