Gone With The Wind- What do you think of it?

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Kirkman1987, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. Kegg

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    Probably my favourite American classic (in the sense of hugely popular work of media) about the antebellum South has gotta be Roots. I mean, come on. It has LeVar Burton in it.

    Actually my point was it would likely not be intentionally racist. Any modern German film dealing with Nazi guards in relationships in Auschwitz would be aware of and repeatedly acknowledge that Auschwitz was terrible and that these two hypothetical Nazi lovers are morally compromised people. Perhaps a relevant example familiar to many non-Germans would be Das Boot, which even as it sympathies with the struggles of its U-Boat crew it is downright hostile to Adolf Hitler and the purpose of the war in general.

    And certainly the failure of Nazi Germany would not be treated with quite the same rosy regard as Rhett Butler throwing in his lot with the cause he doesn't believe in but it's lost so he may as well. One can fairly argue there are problems with German films about the war like Das Boot or Downfall and so on, but they never embrace Nazi Germany as a basically unproblematic cause as GOTW treats the South.


    Point to you. In my defence, it's nowhere near as impregnable as it was when GOTW came out. For example, W.E.B. DuBois was advocating a minority position in the 1930s and he was attacked by other historians for having dubious scholarship. Today, his central argument has been entirely vindicated and is status quo academically.
     
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  2. stj

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    ^^^No, in one sense you're completely right: DuBois was correct, manifestly so. But it was not politically correct to admit it. The Edmund Wilson, Patriotic Gore, I happened to read recently did not know or accept the corrections, and insisted on viewing literature about the South negatively if it did not accept the standard ideology about Reconstruction as an assault on the South. And this was still after learning details of the KKK!
     
  3. Kegg

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    Also, probably worth remembering that - per Vanyel's 'of its time' remark - there was a fair bit of controversy about the racial treatments in both the novel and film back in the 1930, something that many black writers found basically objectionable. So even if I find it kind of iffy to have to judge entertainment by its historical context, there were plenty of contemporaries of both novel and film who found a lot to object to.

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    The pages I was looking at:
    http://thegrio.com/2009/12/15/gone-with-the-wind-shouldnt-be-romanticized/
    http://sadbetty.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/african-american-reactions-to-david-o-selznick%E2%80%99s-adaptation-of-gone-with-the-wind-in-1939-causes-and-context-part-iii/

    The novel does come off worse than the film in those pieces, but damning, faint praise.
     
  4. Saxman1

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    Kegg pretty much sums up my feelings about the film. I feel the same way about my rock cover band drooling to do every Skynard song ever put to tape (they of the Conferderate flag as their symbol): glorifying the old South of slavery is a pretty nauseating thing. No thanks says this Northerner.
     

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