Ghosts?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Kooz, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. Kooz

    Kooz Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Hey guys, this is non-Trek related, but I always get such good feedback from the forum, that I wanted to drop this in and see what people think... Here's the link: http://kooztop5.blogspot.com/2012/03/top-5-things-youll-never-hear-ghost.html
    The question is--do you think ghosts are real? Why or why not? (Responses should be interesting from this crowd, which seems generally science-minded.)
     
  2. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm not a paranormal enthusiast but I have been ghost hunting about half a dozen times. I'm a very skeptical person and after ghost hunting, I'm still not a believer. I went mainly for the fun of going around creepy old buildings at night with flashlights and genuine curiosity. Heck, if you don't even look you know you won't find anything.

    I can comment on the issues raised in that blog. Generally it was written in an oversimplified manner which doesn't reflect the thinking of most ghost hunters.

    5. Orbs. Here, I agree completely with the blog. Just dust.

    4. Thermal videos. I have no experience using this. So, no comment.

    3. EVP. This gets tricky. The vast majority of EVPs are dismissable. We've caught some and I'm skeptical of any of the whispery type where you have to strain to hear anything. These are the vast majority and I think they're noise. In fact, once we had multiple recorders going and an EVP in one was identifiable as a water drop in another. That said, I have recorded 2 very clear and/or loud EVPs that have no explanation. Doesn't make them paranormal but not easily dismissable either. But, there are different levels of clarity and some would appear to rise above static. So, the blog oversimplifies by classifying them all as static. Doesn't make them paranormal but it's not all static.

    2. EMF. This blog oversimplifies what ghost hunters are looking for. Yes, EMF meters detect normal EMF in a house. The stable, easy to find EMF from electrical devices. Usually stable and you can identify the source. What if there is no electrical source? EMF that varies and no source? That's different. Again, not necessarily paranormal but the source is unknown. I have used an EMF meter but have never gotten strange results on it. I've gotten readings but again I could find the manmade source in all cases. It would raise an eyebrow if I couldn't find a manmade source though. I guess the Earth can create them and that would be my next guess.

    1. Eye witness testimony. Yep, agree you can't be convinced by undocumented eye witness testimony. That said, I've had a couple of strange experiences which I unfortunately couldn't document. Like I saw a stereotypical orb. I don't expect you to believe me though. And, even myself would only classify that as unknown, but not necessarily paranormal. I don't know what it was. I tried to recreate it with lights and reflections but nothing looked remotely similar. Perhaps if I had been able to photograph it and then study it in detail, I'd be able to figure out some normal explanation for it. Who knows.

    I'm still skeptical and not a believer. But, I have to admit, it's kind of fun! And, you are bound to experience strange things. Most of them you can debunk with some logic and particularly if you can record/photograph/video them and analyze later. A few things remain unknown afterwards.

    Mr Awe
     
  3. Kemaiku

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  4. Lumi

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    I think that most of the time when people think they've seen ghosts, they were probably just dreaming. I've had a good number of experiences though, as well as a few shared experiences, and... you can't really make the dream/hallucination claim if multiple people witnessed something.

    I should say that though I believe in the paranormal, I do not believe in ghosts the way most people think of ghosts. I don't believe they are souls of people who have died.
     
  5. { Emilia }

    { Emilia } Feminazgul Moderator

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    This.
     
  6. auntiehill

    auntiehill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    HELL, no.
     
  7. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    :techman:
     
  8. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I do, but have yet to ever see one. Same thing with UFO's and other paranormal phenomena.
     
  9. Deckerd

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    Correct
     
  10. horatio83

    horatio83 Commodore Commodore

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    Personally I do not believe in ghosts but scientifically I could not say no, merely perhaps, we don't know. There could be all kind of crazy sh*t out there. Gee, a hundred years ago any quantum mechanical story would have sounded like voodoo to physicists.
     
  11. Shaytan

    Shaytan Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm too rationnal to believe in ghosts but one of my brothers is really into that sort of things. He has a lot of funny stories to tell and visiting a cemetary with him is "something" :lol:
     
  12. Disruptor

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    There's no ghosts.

    Nothing survives death.

    Once you're dead, you're dead.

    Have a happy Easter! :D
     
  13. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah life sucks, but it has chocolate so :shrug: :lol:
     
  14. Kooz

    Kooz Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I have to admit--I'm so glad to see so many rational critical thinkers on here! Yeah, I agree--there are no ghosts.
     
  15. Davros

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    I do not see sufficient evidence to support a belief in ghosts.
     
  16. Kelthaz

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    Awesome! I've always believed that an eternity of living is scarier than oblivion. A happy Easter to you too.
     
  17. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I certainly don't do it often but whenever you're bumbling around in the dark, in a creepy old place, you're bound to have fun!

    Mr Awe
     
  18. Scroogourner

    Scroogourner Admiral Admiral

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    ^Especially if you have someone cute to "bumble" with.
     
  19. TerokNor

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    I do believe there is more than we can see... or maybe its better to say...I hope for that, but am not absolutly free of doubts.

    My mum believes in Orbs and in angels.

    TerokNor
     
  20. ManOnTheWave

    ManOnTheWave Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I love ghost stories, and find them entertaining. But while the unexplained remains unexplained, I don't really believe in ghosts.