Genetically engineered tomatoes

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  1. gturner

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    Man messed with mustard plants and produced horseradish, land cress, water cress, garden cress, kale, collard greens, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, broccoflower, bok choy, Brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, turnips, canola, arugula, rutabaga, radishes, and wasabi.

    Most things vegetarians eat are genetic modifications of a few fortunate plants that humans thought were tasty.
     
  2. Coloratura

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    We all know Luther Burbank was a part of Big Tomato! Down with GMO! Down with GMO! <rabble> <rabble>
     
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  4. HIjol

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    Interestingly enough, when I came here from The Land of Perfect (looking) Produce, I did not expect the cacophony of flavors, the sumptuousness of experience, the mouthwatering goodness of the produce they have here...

    Not grown by superfarms
    Not genetically engineered
    Not hermetically or himetically sealed

    Just grown

    And harvested...

    Yum
     
  5. HIjol

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    Holy Cobb Salad!...no Hidden Valley Ranch here...more like Death Valley Ranch...kinda like a mutant veggie X-Men place...

    Cucumbro
    Plutonia the Radioactive
    Radish the Impaler
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    WOW!
     
  6. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I went 20 miles up into Wisconsin, 5 miles over, then back down and didn't find one fruit/vegetable stand.

    Mid-June is too early or what?

    So, would an "organic" market have heritage tomatoes?
     
  7. HIjol

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    That area is my home stoppin' grounds, and I bet they are all at the various town Farmers Markets...more traffic and more business...sign of the times...you should be able to find the Heritage/Heirloom tomato in that area... :techman:
     
  8. RoJoHen

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    Yeah, there are farmer's markets all over the damn place.
     
  9. rhubarbodendron

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    I tried heirloom tomatos in LA ages ago and they were just so delicious that I had to keep a few seeds =) (I loathe modern breeds - far too sweet imo. I much prefer a fruity sourish tomato) Now I've been growing my own tomatos for years and when they start to degenerate from the inbreeding I simply cross-pollinate with other tomatoes and then gradually re-breed to the heirloom tomatos. Admittedly some work but tasty results! :drool:
     
  10. 2takesfrakes

    2takesfrakes Commodore Commodore

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    Farms - growing both GMO and Organic veggies (including tomatos)- butt right up against eachother. For the most part, these crops, they, uh ... they breed by sending their spunk airborne - and downwind! So ... how, uh ... how do these people know that there hasn't been cross-breeding? In fact, Unless an organic farm is in some kind of an arboritum, I don't really see how it can be prevented ...
     
  11. Metryq

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    When beavers build a dam, it's "natural" and beautiful. When humans build a dam—even a little one on the local pond—it's an unnatural abomination.

    /sarc (just in case anyone didn't know)
     
  12. Random_Spock

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    It's not. I'm downright serious.

    Got nothing against people who don't mind them either tbh. It's their choice.
     
  13. RoJoHen

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    So basically, you're opposed to food.
     
  14. Random_Spock

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    No I'm not. I'm just against genetically modified food. It would be nice if it was labeled as such so anyone who may not want to buy it, don't have to.

    I generally try to stick to foods that are organically grown, as much as possible.
     
  15. RoJoHen

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    I'm just going to assume you didn't read a single reply on that last two pages, which pretty described that we've been genetically modifying food for thousands of years. Hell, there's no reason genetically modified food can't also be grown organically.
     
  16. HIjol

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    Here is a thought...


    (not a real ad, but would make an interesting pop-up)

    Farmers?...are you sick of accidental cross-pollination of your produce?
    Sick of being heckled at your local Farmers Market for GMO?
    Tired of being called, "Nuke the Cuke" or "The Irradiated Radish"?

    Then tractor right down to your Farm Service Store and get you a pack of Spunk-Saver Airborne Preventative Produce Prophylactics...no more pesky mutations...happy customers...sold in packs of 3 or 12...hurry, now...
     
  17. Coloratura

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    No offense, Random_Spock, but GMOs are the current bogeyman. Genetically modified food is what you've been eating all of your life.

    The fact is that thanks to genetically modified food, our planet can support not only every other animal, but also the 7+ billion humans who currently inhabit it. People generally misunderstand GMO, and that genetically modifying food has been going on for thousands of years through crossbreeding and interpollination.

    That local grown potato? Watermelon? Apple? All genetically modified seed at some point, before it was ever planted in the soil. Luther Burbank was one of the greatest horticulturists in American history, and he was an avid proponent of genetically modifying food. The only reason it seems so scary today is that now we use different methods, but the science is still sound.

    Don't let naturalist sites, and whole foods/organic sites convince you otherwise. They have an agenda to sell, too. The organic foods industry makes $26 billion a year (http://www.ota.com/organic/mt/business.html) in profits, and plenty of people who don't understand the science behind GMO, so they worry for their safety, and the safety of their families. In truth, organic is no safer, no more nutritious than genetically modified food.

    If anything, GMOs save our forests. A GM based farm can produce far, far more food using less arable land. The organic movement may mean well, but they're shooting themselves in the proverbial foot.

    Here is some reading I recommend:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/s...antages-of-organic-meat-and-produce.html?_r=1

    http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2012/120904.html

    http://blog.cifor.org/12350/scienti...countries-to-take-action-at-doha#.UWcFYrWG2So

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/nov/28/un-farmers-produce-food-population

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/47829728/A-Detailed-Analysis-of-US-Organic-Crops
     
  18. rhubarbodendron

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    Ah I think there's a misunderstanding. You refer to species that have gradually been bred. That's a natural genetic modification.
    What Random_Spock means is genetically manipulated/engineered stuff. That one is built within one generation by using vector-DNA (also nicknamed jumping genes) as a vehicle to insert totally foreign DNA into an organism.

    [digression: a very general and lay-ish explanation of how this works:
    You cut out the gene you want to insert into the target organism and attach it to a vector gene. The vector gene is like a taxi that brings your gene into the target organism's cell core.
    It cuts open the target's DNA in a random space and itserts itself and the new gene into the DNA. Repair enzymes detect the broken DNA-chain and close the gap, most of the time overlooking the fact that a new bit of DNA has been inserted. Often the new DNA is in a wrong place and simply creates an indecipherable muddle which often causes no harm. In other cases it can lead to cancer or cell death. Very few times it happens to be in a place where it gets properly read and decoded. Then your gene manipulation was successful.

    Vector-DNA appears naturally and is a means of some viruses to transport and insert their genetic information into their host's genome to force it to build more viruses.]

    The problem with vector-DNA is that it jumps not only into the genome when you want it but also jumps out of it and inserts itself into a different organism without any warning (hence the nickname jumping genes). Vectors are totally unpredictable. That's what makes them so dangerous: if you eat them, you may end up with no damage to your own DNA. Or you might end up with a tomato-flavoured tumor.

    With the classical Mendelian breeding there is no such danger as this kind of enhancement works with totally stable genes that stay in their places. Hence such food is safe to eat.


    Btw, over here in Germany, genetically engineered ingredients must be listed on a product. Genetically engineered fruit or veggies don't get sold at all as there is literally no market for them. Consumers here are strongly opposed to that stuff and would boycott its sales.
     
  19. thestrangequark

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    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxx8pen6JY[/yt]
     
  20. Robert Maxwell

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    I have never once heard this suggested even by the craziest of anti-GMO activists. Do you have any citations at all for this happening in humans due to GMO crops?
     

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