Game of Thrones (book/show) newbie (please no spoilers!)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by DevilEyes, Jun 8, 2013.

  1. Venardhi

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    Being disliked for your manner is far less hurtful than being disliked for simply being what you are.
     
  2. Ayelbourne

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    He's not supposed to be ugly on the show. A character actually acknowledges at some point that he's quite handsome if you overlook the size issue (I'm so going to the special hell for that one...).
     
  3. DalekJim

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    Tyrion seems incredibly funny, charming and smart to the reader. In the books the general public and pretty much all his associates find him disgusting because of his behaviour and manner. In the show he's much more... suave and restrained.

    I could name countless scenes in the books that have either been removed or vastly changed in the show to make Tyrion more polite and honourable. I won't though obviously cus people are still reading.

    I know, I just think it takes away from the character. I don't think people would call Peter Dinklage a demon or a gargoyle.
     
  4. Wereghost

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    I concur. I wonder how closely they'll stick to the book next season, though.
     
  5. Shanndee

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    But don't you think that the viewer and the reader are sharing the same experience?

    To me it appears that the characters in universe are responding to Tyrion with disgust and derision. I don't see him having many friends or winning anyone over.

    Anyway, it is early going for me. I'm only on page 500. I'll revisit this viewpoint when I get further along.
     
  6. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    I always thought Tyrion was just being what people expected him to be. If they were going to call him a monster, then that's what he would be.
     
  7. DevilEyes

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    Does Tyriol behave like he wants to be liked? Heck, no. Tyrion is sardonic and insulting, but in a smart way. That's not what what I associate with the word "gross". Gross is how Viserys behaves to his sister. And I don't know what the show has changed about Tyrion's manner, but I don't see the need for it. To the reader, a lot of the accepted behavior of the society described in the book is gross, and the reader is only likely to side with Tyrion for mocking them.

    It's actually funny to say that Tyrion's behavior is "too crass to the society in which he operates", when this society is overall very crass, with few exceptions. At least from our point of view.

    But how large a pool of great dwarf actors who could play that role is in the first place? And were they really going to turn down Dinklage on the grounds that he just wasn't ugly enough, and look for "a really ugly little person" to fill the role?
     
  8. Dream

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    Dinklage was always the first choice of author George R.R. Martin and producers to play the role of Tyrion.
     
  9. Venardhi

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    Because he is goddamn talented moreso than he physically resembles the character in the books.

    Much like Ned, Robert and most of the other adult leads, he is physically quite unlike his book counterpart due to being aged 15 years and the casting director being limited to people who actually exist. (Ned looks like Sean Bean because Sean Bean is a BAMF, resemblance be damned.)
     
  10. Shurik

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    Peter Dinklage was the only actor who was offered the part of Tyrion, no one else was auditioned for it and the producers never thought of anyone else for the role.
    Other actors were auditioned for Ned, but only in case Sean Bean refused. He was the producers' first choice for Ned.
     
  11. 137th Gebirg

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    Sansa was also sweet on Loras Tyrell, especially after he gave her the rose at the Hand's Tourney.

    Boy, she sure can pick 'em! :lol:
     
  12. DevilEyes

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    I haven't gotten to this part yet (the tourney's just about to start) but it's not much of a spoiler, I guess.

    Speaking of jerks Sansa had a crush on, I'm going to speculate a bit about the things most of you l know already. I was spoiled on Jaime/Cercei going on, but from the moment it was revealed in the book, I suspected that what they're trying to hide isn't just that, but that Joffrey is not Robert's son and that his uncle is his real dad. Now I've read the part where they talk about the late Jon Arryn taking an interest in a book about genealogy of noble families (and that story about how he supposedly was mentioning Robert's son on his deathbed), and I'm currently 100% sure my inkling is right, to the point that I'm going to be really surprised and disappointed if it doesn't turn out to be true. I'm just waiting to see how, when and who gets to find out.

    What I'm not sure about is the other two kids. I'm wondering if the fact that little Tommen is chubby was mentioned as a clue that he's really Robert's son. In real life, I naturally wouldn't think any of it - many children are fat and grow up to be slim, and Robert was athletic when he was young and we don't know what he was like as a child, but he may also be one of those men who are prone to gaining weight and who are chubby as children, slim down in their early youth but then get fat pretty early. Mainly, I'm going to guess that Tommen is Robert's son, because 1) when something is mentioned in a book it's likely to be a clue and 2) it would make the story more complicated and interesting (not to mention dangerous for Tommen, if the spoiled brat learns he's not king's real son but his little brother is) - not in this book, probably, but down the line.

    But don't tell me if I'm right or not. :)
     
  13. InklingStar

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    You are right. Or you may not actually be right. In this day and age, who can know?

    I need to reread the books. I read for the first time a little over a year ago, and since then the show and the books have become somewhat conflated in my head. One of the biggest difference in how the story translates into the medium of television is that we as viewers believe what we see, expecting the screen to show us the objective reality of what is going on. The books, on the other hand, show us reality as it is perceived by the POV character in question. Sansa, for example, has grown up in the remote backwater city of Winterfell, spending her whole life reading fairy tales about the noble knights and fair maidens of the south. Now she is actually there, seeing it all with her own eyes, yet she still has the fairy tale ideal stuck in her head. Of course Renly, Loras, Joffrey, and the rest are beautiful noble knights - all the knights from the old stories are like that.
     
  14. Captaindemotion

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    I don't suppose you know what other actors were auditioned for Ned, or have they kept the names quiet?
     
  15. Shurik

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    It is something I've read in one of their interviews, D&D didn't say who the other actors were. I suppose those had to be pretty big names ...
     
  16. DevilEyes

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    Well, now that I've read the part about Arryn and Stannis looking for King's bastard son, I'm leaning more towards none of Cersei's kids being Robert's, or maybe Arryn just thought so. I don't know, I was never sure about that. But I'm sure about Joffrey, more so all the time, they're dropping clues left and right.
     
  17. Venardhi

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    'Big names' don't really have to audition, it is one of the perks of being a 'big name'.
     
  18. -Brett-

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    I'll spoil what I like.

    Will dies.

    Seriously though. I read the books last year and I'm only starting on the show now. If anything, the faithfulness of the adaptation, the fact that I already know what's going to happen, has been an obstacle to my enjoyment. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what's different, not what's the same.
     
  19. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    I've read the books as they've come out, so while I recall the big moments, the smaller ones have faded so they're more of a surprise.
     
  20. 137th Gebirg

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    I will say that the comics/graphic novels that have been released based on the books seem to be a more faithful adaptation to the source material, both in story and in artwork. They aren't limited by time or by budget, and can more effectively elaborate on back-stories that are either glossed over or completely ignored in the show. The characters and settings seem to be more accurately portrayed/drawn, more closely resembling descriptions in the book. For example, Tyrion looks a lot less attractive and charismatic than Peter Dinklage, Lysa Tully-Arryn isn't super-skinny like Kate Dickie, and all the characters seem to be drawn closer to their book age than most of the actors playing them (as in, all considerably younger), especially Daenerys.

    I highly recommend it for people who want more info on the world of GRRM but don't have time to read the books. It's a great compromise between the screen and written word.