Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

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  1. DalekJim

    DalekJim Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    "Sylvester McCoy sends his regards!"

    So pissed they changed that line, I might add.
     
  2. Starbrow

    Starbrow Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I am curious, as too why did they wrote Talisa Stark and not Jeyne Westerling in to the show?
    And what was the purpose of changing the story about her presence at the wedding?
     
  3. Shurik

    Shurik Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Adding Jeyne would require to add several of her relatives. Since she probably won't have any part in the further book story, it was enough to add a generic love interest without the need to add more characters. The result is the same anyway.
     
  4. Venardhi

    Venardhi Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Budgetary (either time or money) I assume.

    Stupidity is another possibility.
     
  5. Ruaidhri

    Ruaidhri Commodore Commodore

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    I'd like to just comment on the fact that I thought Richard Madden was great in this series as Robb Stark. We never got to get inside Robb's head in the novels, with no POV from his perspective. I really enjoyed his performance overall.
     
  6. CaptainCanada

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    Really only a meaningful distinction if the Hound personally objected to what he did, but he didn't. He was fine with it, and wryly joked about murdering Mycah, both at the time and years later.
     
  7. Brendan Moody

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    Budget wasn't involved in using Talisa rather than Jeyne. The producers simply felt it was better if Robb breaking the alliance with the Freys was an entirely free decision based on twue wuv rather than an issue of honor. If money had been an issue, they wouldn't have ended up featuring the character so prominently and making her a regular this year.
     
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  8. Venardhi

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    It is a lot cheaper for them not to have to build sets for the Westerling castle, feature the battle for it, etc. and it means that they don't have to give Cat stuff to do while he is gone.

    A single actress is cheap. It isn't like they spent any time developing Talisa anyways. One conversation about where she came from doesn't a character make.

    Robb has spent most of the last 2 seasons sitting around camp or sitting around Riverrun. If you don't think that was for budgetary reasons I really don't know what to tell you.
     
  9. Brendan Moody

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    Of course the reason they haven't featured more battles and the like is budget. But the basic change in the relationship, from spur-of-the-moment sex to choosing true love over duty, was a decision made because Benioff and Weiss thought that was more dramatically interesting. Bryan Cogman has said so in interviews. They could still have kept the core of the character intact featuring her exactly as often as they did Talisa, in pretty much the same scenes, but they didn't want to. That's my point.
     
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  10. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I think it could have just as easily worked to keep the character's name but still have her go through the motions that Talissa did without delving too deeply into the Westerling side-story.
    They even hinted slightly on-screen that she may have been delivering secret messages of Robb's movements to Tywin Lannister, which would have made more sense if she had, in fact, been a Westerling, banner men to the Lannisters. It certainly would have more sense than having some random nobody girl from Volantis just happening to fall for the King in the North. They could have played to that suspicion until the end without deviating too far from the final cut of the story line.
     
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  11. Venardhi

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    well, it is still a possibility that they might reveal that next week, which is why I avoided speculating on that point in my previous posts. Might be good to wrap that bit in spoiler tags.
     
  12. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Good point. Done.
     
  13. Brendan Moody

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    I've edited my posts as well, although the revelation in question isn't going to happen; the mods of Westeros.org have been told as much by reliable sources working on the show. Like the attempt to cast "Podrick Payne, sex god" as an intrigue-driven plot point rather than a juvenile gag, the theory gives the TV show too much credit.
     
  14. teacake

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    This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen defended.

    Yeah he had no regrets at all and he mocks Arya for her feelings over him killing her friend. But she's supposed to not hate him because he was ordered to do it? Are we talking about robots here?
     
  15. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    I don't know that he's fine with it or not fine with it. He's a warrior and the subject of the "king." The distinction would be if he killed children after he left Joffrey and thought it was okay, which he hasn't done.

    I'm not saying he's a great person, just that he's not the reason why her friend is dead. He's just not.


    It's not a defense. It is simply stating a fact.

    And no, we're not talking about robots here. I didn't really take him answering her as mocking.
     
  16. Venardhi

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    They've done Sandor a terrible disservice in the show. He is barely a character, much less one you can apply a morality to. It is best not to dwell on him too long.
     
  17. teacake

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    How hard is it to understand why a child would hate a man who kills her friend?
     
  18. Dream

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    The Hound killed the butcher's boy because of the Prince's orders. It was an evil act, but disobeying Joffrey might have meant his own death.

    The only way Arya's friend could have been saved if Robert or Cersei had gone over Joffrey's head and ordered the Hound not to do it. Cersei didn't give a shit about the death, and Robert lets his son get away with everything.

    I don't blame the Hound or Arya for hating him for the murder. The boy was doomed the moment Joffrey set his eyes on him.
     
  19. OdoWanKenobi

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    Joffrey never ordered the Hound to kill Mycah. The Hound was order to find him. The killing was of his own accord. He's said on more than one occasion that he enjoys killing, and has shown no remorse for his actions. There is nothing to absolve him of his crimes.
     
  20. Brendan Moody

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    There's no way Sandor's life would have been in danger if he'd declined to kill Mycah. Robert was the ultimate authority at that point, and despite his many moral failings he would hardly have had someone executed for declining to kill one child on the orders of another, or even on Cersei's orders, if any such orders were actually given. Sandor might have wound up dismissed from Joffrey's service, but it's not like no other occupations were available for a strong, skilled fighter. He killed Mycah because, at that point, he had no real moral compass, not because he was utterly without options.
     

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