Frank Miller completely loses the plot

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  1. Captaindemotion

    Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Admiral

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    http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy

    Now, whether or not you agree with either the aims or tactics of the protestors, to besmirch them all - and they include war veterans, housewifes, pensioners, actors - as rapists, louts and thieves, is hardly indicative of a well-thought-out, cogent and rational argument.

    Needless to say, there have been many unhappy responses, but the following strikes me as one of the best:

    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/HeroKiller/news/?a=49815

    (Highlighting added by me, as I thought it the best part of the letter!)
     
  2. Christopher

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    I think we can do better than sinking to Miller's level in response to him. People like him have dragged the debate down too much already, and that's the reason we can't fix our problems -- because we're too busy calling each other names.

    Frank Miller long ago ceased to have anything worth saying. We should just quietly walk away from his ranting and concentrate our attention on worthwhile ideas and pursuits instead.
     
  3. Robert Maxwell

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    Frank Miller is a fascist, a bigot, and a lunatic, who wrote some well-received comic books once upon a time.
     
  4. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

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    It's interesting that he and Anne Nocenti both wrote Daredevil. They're about as polar opposites, politically, as two people can be.
     
  5. OmahaStar

    OmahaStar Disrespectful of his betters Admiral

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    Every word he wrote sounds like it was written by Orson Scott Card. I can't take either of them seriously. They both need help.
     
  6. Robert Maxwell

    Robert Maxwell so far this is a dumb future Premium Member

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    Good call. OSC is about on the same level as Miller in terms of being an authoritarian bigot.
     
  7. the G-man

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    There's already a lengthy thread about this in the Neutral Zone. Do we really need another?

    In any event, for all the talk about Miller's lack of civility and unfair attempts to tar an entire movement with a broad brush, I've seen as bad, or worse, said about conservatives, tea partiers, republicans, etc., on this board time and time again.
     
  8. Robert Maxwell

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    Not everyone goes to TNZ. Besides, as many people as possible should be made aware of Miller's idiotic raving.

    The difference is that Miller gets a national platform to spread his hateful ideology. The rest of us don't. It's not a legitimate comparison.
     
  9. the G-man

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    So multiple threads on the same subject and intemperate remarks are okay when it fits the mods generally narrow political views? Why am I unsurprised?

    [added later] Also, in order to truly discuss Miller's post, one must be able to discuss the OWS movement itself: it's goals, its tactics, its membership. All of which means that this entire thread can-and will-easily be about nothing but politics and current events. Are the mods prepared for, and willing to allow, that?
     
  10. Robert Maxwell

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    Why, it's amazing we let you post here at all! :rolleyes:

    It astounds me how right-wingers--who, by and large, hold most of the power and resources in this world--still play the persecution card with no sense of irony.
     
  11. { Emilia }

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    Yeah, only white protestant Christians suffer as much as right-wingers.

    Incidentally the two groups overlap a bit.
     
  12. the G-man

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    No sense of persecution. Just pointing out your hypocrisy.
     
  13. Robert Maxwell

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    No hypocrisy here. I'm not a hypocrite just because I disagree with you. :)
     
  14. OmahaStar

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    They believe Fox News, which continues to tell them they are persecuted, and that there is a massive "liberal bias" in the news media. Which, I guess, to THEM there would be ... when it's right down the center.

    There's a poster here whose name I cannot remember. S/he has a sig line which really rather fits this, something to the effect of "Fox news is rich people paying rich people to convince middle income people that all the world's problems are caused by poor people." It's true.
     
  15. PsychoPere

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    There's no hypocrisy here. It's a long-standing tradition that multiple threads on the same subject can be allowed when they are in different forums that generally have different audiences. See past threads on elections that have been allowed to remain in Misc. even while similar threads were in TNZ, for example. For a non-political example, see the threads on the "Tatooine"-esque planet discovery that simultaneously existed in Science & Technology and Misc a few months back.

    On this, you do raise a good point. With such a discussion, this thread would probably be more suited to Misc. than TVM. If the TVM mods decide that it is, I imagine they'll move the thread to the forum they feel is most appropriate. There is, however, no reason that it can only be discussed in TNZ.
     
  16. Captaindemotion

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    I posted this thread and don't go to the Neutral Zone. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    I'm a left-winger and don't believe that Republicans or right-wingers are all rapists, thieves or louts. They're just people with whose political agenda I disagree. If I abused them in the manner Miller abused the OWS movement - incidentally, 26% of whom describe themselves as 'conservative' - I would expect and deserve to be criticised.
     
  17. Peter Q Taggart

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    The Dark Knight Strikes Back was absolutely horrid. The writing was asinine and the art looked as if he drew it with the pencil stuck up his @$$. But then I remind myself that there's no room for the pencil with his head already lodged up there. On the bright side, 'ol Frankie must save a fortune on colonoscopies.
     
  18. Admiral2

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    But there have been sexual assaults, and there have been louts and there have been thieves, and this part:


    ...is absolutely true, and these people have cost other members of the 99% their jobs because of this nonsense, not to mention creating a health hazard in a park. Why? Because they were too lazy to actually "occupy" the street they were supposed to be occupying.
     
  19. Forbin

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    As always, I see exaggeration and delusion on BOTH sides of the fence.
     
  20. davejames

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    I'm a pretty liberal guy... but I have to admit these protests do come across as a bit silly to me.

    It definitely would have helped their cause if they had presented themselves a lot better, and didn't turn the protest into some kind of bizarre hipster festival/communion type thing, with all their weird hand signs and costumes.

    Makes them even harder to take seriously than the tea partiers, and I didn't think that could be possible.
     
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