Female Starfleet Uniforms

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  1. Albertese

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    I think it was Bill Thiess... he did it because he was paid to.

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  2. Ithekro

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    But would they have Mr. Scott in a plaid skant? Mostly red (or yellow in the mid-late 24th century), but also with his clan tartan?
     
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    Well, "Where No Man" was about 5 years before her big shower scene in M*A*S*H, so Sally must have overcome some of her inhibitions by then.
     
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    Yeah...it was called "moneybitions.". :D


    Speaking only for myself: I could not stand the sight of skants on dudes either. All things considered, just be glad we never saw TOS dudes running around in the miniskirt outfit. Er....forget I even conjured up that mental image....that's just psychologically scarring.

    I was glad that Marina Sirtis agreed to don the skant uniform one more time for "All Good Things...". That was, is, and always will be my favorite outfit on her...even if she thought it made her look like a space cheerleader. :)


    (personal opinion only....not intended to offend anyone else's sensibilities or sensitivities...or start flame wars.)
     
  5. Warped9

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    Areel Shaw in "Courtmartial" had a hemline that was distinctly lower than usual and it looked perfectly fine as an alternate duty wear.

    Aren't there skirt alternatives in the U.S. armed forces? I'm pretty sure the Navy has them...or at least that's what I saw on JAG.
     
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    Based on the material, which you can see here and here is almost certainly the same as dress uniform material and not standard uniform material, Areel was also wearing what seemed to be a female version of the dress uniform (which would be the only time we saw that), although it had rank braids, a black collar, a starbase flower, and no awards. Also, all the male officers of the court were wearing dress uniforms, as were Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. As for why all officers testifying weren't wearing dress uniforms, I can only suppose the reasons were budgetary/time-related.

    It seemed to be the intent that hemlines on dress uniform dresses were uniformly lower, if you'll pardon those puns.
     
  7. J.T.B.

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    It also has gold braid piping around the collar, similar to that on the men's dress uniforms.
     
  8. Joel_Kirk

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    ^^

    I like the disclaimer....:lol:

    And, yes, one of the reason I like "All Good Things" is because we see Sirtis in the skirt and boots again...(as well as other female officers in the background).
     
  9. LMFAOschwarz

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    Granted, it's not the goal of a uniform, but I thought Marina Sirtis was adorable in that outfit! :)

    As for the so-called skants, just try to picture, say, Data or Geordi in one! :wtf:
     
  10. Joel_Kirk

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    I didn't mind the male versions. (I probably would have rocked one myself...haha) Maybe someday at a comic-con...:p

    I can actually see something like that being worn in the hypothetical spin-off that would have taken place in the 1970s. Not as a uniform, but more of an off-duty outfit.
     
  11. LMFAOschwarz

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    You must have better-looking legs than the skinny, pasty-white pencils that hold me up, Joel! :lol:
     
  12. Joel_Kirk

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    :D
     
  13. LMFAOschwarz

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    I'll take that as a "yes". :lol:
     
  14. CorporalCaptain

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    Indeed.
     
  15. LordMudd

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    Having been in the military...

    Skirts are part of the dress uniform, which some people such as recruiters can wear as duty uniform. The word 'uniform' means 'same as' or 'equal.' There was definitely nothing equal about fashion in the 60's. The skant was an attempt to create the illusion of equality, probably to justify Troi wearing it, and we saw how long that lasted. Marina hated the "Cosmic cheerleader" outfit. Personally I never had a problem with the ToS uniforms, and on a ship they might be ok, but for field duty they would be impractical. With the Mirror uniforms I would say there was a different motivation. Look at how many weapons they were discreetly carrying around as it was. No need to give them anywhere to hide more.

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  16. Joel_Kirk

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    Well, even in the millenium, we have people who are threatened when a man wears something resembling a skirt. I recall an article a few years back (in the 2000s) where a man wore a skirt with his little boy because the boy - either figuring out his sexuality, or just curious - was made fun of at school when he wore a skirt.

    As aforementioned, I disliked the Berman era of not showing any type of skin, no matter what was going on....even if a person was in exercise wear. It was basically telling a woman how she should dress in order to be considered equal, and not giving any choice in the matter. Arguably, it was also telling a man how he should dress so his masculinity won't be threatened.

    Too, I've always hated the idea that women are considered equal if they don't show any skin. As if robbing them from their sexuality makes them equal. (Likewise for men, it's just coming off as prudish).

    Granted, in some cases...a skirt wouldn't be practical. However, as we would see in Trek...there are certain cases when the landing party doesn't know where or what they are beaming into. For example, Lt. Karen Somename may have beamed down in the skirt/boots when she probably could have worn the environmental outfit to wade through that alien river that didn't turn up in scans.

    In present day Trek, you have women who opt to wear either pants/tunic or the skirt/boots. As we saw with nuUhura, she was geared up for hand combat for one sequence in the recent Trek film, and even Carol Marcus geared up in a jumpsuit to defuse what she thought was a bomb. And, a few of the female officers are wearing varied outfits on the bridge and throughout the ship.
     
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    I don't think skirts/dresses are practical for landing party duties but aboard ship why not?

    And if they had some skirt or dress where men didn't look absolutely awful (re: skant) then let the men wear them aboard ship if they want to. Scott looked OK in his kilt and Picard looked OK in his dress dress uniform. In RL it wouldn't matter how bad they looked aboard ship but in a TV show everyone should look as good as possible.
     
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  19. johnnybear

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    Let's just face it! The women of the sixties and seventies were very attractive and we were so damn lucky that Gene Roddenberry allowed us to see such beauties in mini skirts!
    Boy were those gals gorgeous!:drool:
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  20. Warped9

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    Miniskirts were already a thing in SF in some of the sci-fi films of the '50s and early '60s, including Forbidden Planet in 1956.