female audience reaction to Seven of Nine

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  1. Guy Gardener

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    A fetishist is after a paragon, or a precise sort of depravity. What I suggested here (turn back to the previous page Dream) is a unique mutant, and that degree of alien unfamiliarity would be completely anathema to a fetishist.
     
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    I thought she was great from the start. It was only later I realised she had another purpose aside from just being a cool new character.
     
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    You don't think that's why the producers cast everyone, men and women alike from the beginning?
     
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    I think the original casting was looking for a 'look' rather than individual characters, captain aside. Kes was always outside of this. I liked her apart from her being slightly muppet-faced and walking like a squaddie.
     
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    Kes was the good girl, that was her casting. I never liked her at all, she pretty much embodies everything I dislike in certain female characters.

    However since Voyager I have found characters who have the same soft way of talking and similar sweetness who I dislike FAR more, so Kes does not bother me as much.

    One character with a similar way of being (all wise and quiet and gentle so I want to smack her) is Juliet on Lost. I HATED THAT CHARACTER SO MUCH. For the same reasons I initially hated Kes but at the end of the day Kes was an alien and therefore much more interesting and forgivable.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    I remember a show abut Muppets flying about in space.

    I assumed that Juliet was soft spoken because she was guilty about everything and knew that at any one point in time she was seconds away from being lynched.

    How much blood did she have on her hands?
     
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    I don't know, I stopped paying attention to the plot after season 2.

    She was so very horribly well meaning all the time. Sawyer must have been missing out big time on having a mother or something to put up with her.
     
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    I didn't like her either, She was boring. And I hated the way she spoke, and who is this "neeliksh" anyway?
     
  9. Fruitcake

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    God it set my teeth on edge, that voice.
     
  10. Deckerd

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    She was supposed to be an innocent abroad who gradually finds she is capable of great things. I thought she did well. To a great extent the cast had to develop their own characters and the writers reflected that in their storylines.
     
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    I don't usually express my Kes feelings because of sensitivity to Lynx, just like I try and keep my Chak bashing to a minimum. Now I feel guilty.

    That's how soft, sweet kittens always make you feel when you smack 'em.
     
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    I loved Kes's voice. Like honey and tar. The only real issue is some latter scenes with Mulgrew are like two foghorns duetting, after Kate turned down the chipmunk pitch.
     
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    Janeway sounded too much like a chain smoker to me.
     
  14. Fruitcake

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    And this is bad?

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    Jennifer Lien had one of the sexiest voices around. She played Agent L on Men in Black: The Series in its first three seasons, and sometimes got play it quite sultry in the first season (before they toned it down more for the kids), and it was amazing to listen to.

    And I liked that tendency to pronounce "S" slightly more like "SH." (What would you call that? An anti-lisp?) It reminded me of some classic actress from the '40s, though I forget who.

    And she was amazing as Kes. She brought such maturity, wisdom, and gentle strength to a character who was supposed to be so young -- even though she herself was barely an adult at the time.
     
  16. Fruitcake

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    This must be a man thing.
     
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    No, it's not. She was pretty annoying with the wise beyond her years thing, She's little older than Naomi when she was introduced, yet has knowledge and wisdom equal to or more than an adult. It's a ridiculously improbable species. And the wise councilor voice was annoying as hell by the middle of Troi's first speech. That just set my teeth on edge with Kes as well.
     
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    A lot of people have said that Kes is attractive, but I dunno... sure she's cute in a childish sort of way, but that's exactly the point... childish demeanor and behavior, no matter how smart she may be, is just kind of a turnoff.

    She could have been a very intriguing character if the writers had any sense of direction with her and her mental abilities beyond randomly killing things whenever she uses her mental powers.
     
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    That's really 95% of the turn off for me. Juliet in Lost had the same voice. Sometimes I meet women who start talking to me in that voice and I just glaze over. Also anything that comes out of my mouth in response to that voice sounds like a mad barking dog so this doesn't help either.

    I just don't trust that voice. It seems fake. No one is really like that and if they are they are then get me the hell out of there.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Whoever invented her, the plan had to be start with a kid who grows up, gets old, gets wise and then dies just about when they arrive at earth, they're all sad, but then they realize that her telepathic powers have turned her into a godlike space fart who's flying off in space happy as larry.

    The other hundred or so writers weren't told about this, didn't care, or were instructed to ignore the blatant and obvious direction the character should be going in because since they didn't now when their script was going to air relative to all the scripts they hadn't read, it's not like they could just throw shit in randomly against the producers instructions and...