female audience reaction to Seven of Nine

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by jefferiestubes8, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Of course there was an "eye candy" element, but when hasn't there been in television? TV shows hire attractive people of both sexes. TOS has its crewwomen in miniskirts and alien women in flimsy strips of fabric, but also had Kirk gratuitously lose his shirt on a regular basis. We can complain about the implausibility, but it's a fact of life that TV shows are cast good-looking people and play up their attractiveness. So yeah, Seven's and T'Pol's catsuits were particularly egregious examples of that, but I saw them as basically par for the course. And while I deeply enjoyed looking at Jeri Ryan in her catsuits, I never had a problem noticing what a gifted and charismatic performer she was as well and what a rich, intriguing character she was written as.
     
  2. Dream

    Dream Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2001
    Location:
    Hotel Transylvania
    The catsuit and heels were so damn tacky. I don't know why there was such a Trek obsession with catsuits were in Modern Trek. Give me a woman in a Starfleet uniform anyday, they look much professional and sexier.

    It is a shame that Seven only wore it once, while Troi wore a uniform for the last two seasons of TNG and Kira had it for the final chapters of DS9.
     
  3. Jeri

    Jeri Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2001
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois, USA
    I've always liked her; and Jeri Ryan is great, too.
     
  4. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    7 looked FAR better in uniform. She looked WONDERFUL in uniform.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Violet.Phoenix

    Violet.Phoenix Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Location:
    A distant corner of the Zeta Quadrant...
    QFT.

    The catsuit was just ridiculous, and in the uniform you can actually take her seriously as a character.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    I feel about Hoshi like most of you feel about Janeway and/or Seven.

    It's just sad that Linda wasted all her time on such a shitty TV show.
     
  7. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Location:
    Gov Kodos on Mohammed's Radio, WZVN Boston
    I can't stand the uniforms.
     
  8. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    You can't stand.. the uniforms? Like, all of them?

    The NX-01 uniforms are my favorite.
     
  9. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    Did you prefer MU Hoshi or regular Hoshi?
     
  10. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2012
    Location:
    Shangri-La
    I feel like I might get an STD every time I even look at mirror Hoshi. Or a knife in the back I'm not sure.
     
  11. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    MY FAVORITE MU PIC

    [​IMG]

    :adore:
     
  12. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Whoreshi and Hoshi both have intriguing yet noncomplementary sets of character traits.

    Then, it took them four seasons to tell us cool stuff like that at starfleet Academy Hoshi broke one of her instructors arms because he tried to break up a floating poker game she ran.

    That makes her on par with Sgt Bilko or Top Cat.

    How bad is poker honesty if there's no money?

    You'd think that thye would get into more trouble for inventing some form of barter based good currency to underpin their gambling racket?
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    What WERE they playing for.

    Something embarrassing, that you absolutely did not want to lose.

    I was completely meh about Hoshi until she was ready to kill herself on the Xindi sphere so they couldn't extract the information from her mind. Then my opinion shot way up.

    (I do think there was significant Hoshi/T'Pol subtext in the beginning though)
     
  14. mswood

    mswood Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Location:
    9th level of Hell
    Now in fairness, as a music/theatre major I didn't really get bothered by the catsuit (well except for the heels) as I wore sometimes much less. And my sister was a gym coach her job she wore clothes as tight as a cat suit, just not as much. Because tight supporting clothing does actual make some things much easier.

    Really outside of the heels and look at the TNG costumes, no pockets, no belts, you aren't supposed to see how things like phasers or the communicators attach to the clothing. Even the regular Voyager Out fit, really didn't provide things like belts, pockets, to be practical. So from the character's point of view whats the major difference between a skin tight outfight and one thats loser, but without any additional practical benefits? We don't really see the crew drooling after each other very often, not that I think it would even factor into her choice.

    Comfort? She had her body covered with multiple cyber implants, I think the difference between a cat suit and the standard crew uniform wouldn't be that significant. In fact I actually good see someone in that frame actually liking wearing something a little more form fitting, something thats more connected to the skin.

    Of course for the viewer, its meant to show off an attractive and endowed women.

    But for an internal character rational I find (besides the heels, for either uniform) it more logical that she would want form fitting clothes, and as long as she was warm, I don't think she would find it logical to have several layers.

    Certainly I was more bothered my T'Pol's outfit (I really liked her off ship jacket outfit), and of course all of ENT's costumes (besides T'Pol's cat suit) were actually functional.
     
  15. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    As I have posted before about 7, the Borg wear skin tight coverings, like plating. She is not going to be comfortable flapping around in loose fabric. She is going to want to feel held together and perfection wise she is going to want absolute ease of movement. From that perspective the cat suit is logical.
     
  16. mswood

    mswood Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Location:
    9th level of Hell
    Just not the heels, seriously the heels...
     
  17. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    I completely agree. What a cringe they are.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    The Doctor designed all her clothes.

    Did he spontaneously invent those clothes or did Zimmerman/Barclay forget to erase all the porn he/they/he were hiding on the Doctor's server before they sent the final copy off to the factory for mass generation, fabrication and circulation.

    We all have work at porn and... I mean we all have porn at work, not usable porn, just comfortporn so we don't start jonesing, and sometimes unfortunately we forget where we've hidden it when push comes to shove.

    We've seen Barclay's porn before in TNG Holo Pursuits.

    Quite unsettling, that he can't ravish Dee without beating on Riker first as foreplay.
     
  19. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    But.. I always beat on Riker as foreplay.
     
  20. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Location:
    Gov Kodos on Mohammed's Radio, WZVN Boston
    They have the yellow trim to break up the over all look, and they have a baggy utility kind of look on Enterprise. The Voyager uniforms just seem dull, as do the other uniforms of the TNG/DS9 era. Too much one color overall for my liking. Also, compared to TOS the ships have too little variety in the styles of duty uniforms seen by the crew. Even Enterprise has that kind of feel of everyone in the same suit. I just don't care for it.
     

Share This Page