Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;

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  1. Christopher

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    ^I never said that the revenge-narrative aspects were mutually exclusive of the crimefighting/rescuing aspects, since a lot of revenge-driven movie heroes happen to save innocents from the villains' plans. I said that the movies were made to conform to standard action-movie formulas and expectations.
     
  2. Tosk

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    And I didn't say you you said it. :)

    But unless I remember wrong Batman didn't particularly pursue vengeance (despite what I said earlier), he continued to act based on threats to other people, with the exception of shooting at/around the Joker when he was in the middle of the street.
     
  3. Christopher

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    ^I'm not talking about what the fictional construct called Batman did, I'm talking about the creative choices the screenwriters, producers, and executives made. They chose to filter a superhero premise through a more conventional action-movie formula. That's my point. The very fact that they made the Joker into the Waynes' murderer makes that crystal-clear. It's not something that has ever been true in the comics. It has nothing to do with the comics. It is the stock action-movie trope of a protagonist seeking personal vengeance against the villain. Historically, up until recent years, studio executives haven't understood comics or been fans of them. They just understand the conventions of past movies, so when they acquire a superhero property, they filter it through more standard action-movie patterns, which is why we get so many stories about superheroes saving themselves (e.g. Fantastic Four) or pursuing vengeance (e.g. Batman) or saving their love interests (e.g. every single Spider-Man movie) rather than just plain fighting crime because it's the right thing to do.

    This is one thing the first two Reeve Superman movies got right -- Superman wasn't just dealing with his own personal concerns, but was acting selflessly on behalf of the public. He did have some personal stakes, like Lois's demise in the first film, but it was a sideline to the more expansive clashes between the villains' destructive schemes and Superman's attempts to protect the people. Superman II even showed Superman's pursuit of his personal agendas as something that interfered with his heroics and needed to stay secondary.
     
  4. Professor Zoom

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    I don't know if it's about making Batman have a "revenge" plot, so much as making the stakes personal for him. Not only will he able to stop the bad guy to save Gotham, but, he'll be able to get the man who killed his family.

    Like in Dark Knight, Maggie is killed, making the the stakes personal for Batman.

    If anything, that's the problematic trope. Not the revenge-vengence thing, more of the small universe, everything is personal trope.

    But, comics are also guilty of that. Doom and Reed, for example, knew each other in school. Lex blamed Superboy for the loss of his hair--in some DC iteration.
     
  5. theenglish

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    Not quite though. The idea behind Batman opening the door for crazies like the Joker to terrorize the city was prominent. Also, the Joker specifically killing people to piss of Batman dictated most of the last half of the movie.

    But the only two heroes in this list are Daredevil and Green Lantern. The others are anti-heroes at best and it would be completely in character to not be out to save innocents.
     
  6. CorporalCaptain

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    Opening the door? I don't get that. In the previous film, Batman had saved the city from the League of Shadows, which was a pre-existing and material threat to Gotham. He had risen to meet that challenge and the cancer of organized crime, also pre-existing. Super-criminals like the Joker may have been inspired by that, but I don't see that the same as Batman "opening the door" for them.

    True, Bruce got, well, in league with The League to fight organized crime, but he didn't know they really had evil plans for Gotham at first.
     
  7. The Old Mixer

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    Given that comic books are a serialized medium that can build up decades and decades of monthly continuity...and superhero film series typically amount to a handful of films with very limited time to tell the story of the protagonist and a few select villains...it makes a great deal of sense to adapt the material to the medium and tell tighter stories that better integrate elements of the mythos and provide some closure for antagonists who won't be seen in future installments.

    That said, I fully agree that it was a major story oversight in the first FF film that there weren't larger stakes in their battle against Doom.

    On the subject of villain deaths, you do have examples like the first Spidey film, in which the Goblin's death was adapted from classic comics material.
     
  8. Alidar Jarok

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    Which doesn't refute my point at all.

    Protects the city from what? You have the beating up criminals at night, but the rest? I think there's an argument it's a personal vendetta.

    That's a fair point. BTW, I was just suggesting movies not yet mentioned. I had no additional motive. I honestly hadn't seen most and had forgotten the details of the ones I had.
     
  9. theenglish

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    That's fair--most of those movies are pretty forgettable. :lol:
     
  10. Samurai8472

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    C'mon they have to be trolling us right?

    http://collider.com/doctor-doom-new-origin-fantastic-four-movie/


     
  11. Mr Light

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    Oh, man. This is going to make the 2005 movie look like polished gold :lol:
     
  12. theenglish

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    Maybe the movie is actually a bunch of gamers playing the Fantastic Four on their game cubes. :devil:

    But does what this guy says even make sense?
     
  13. Icemizer

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    That has to be a con right, couldnt be true.
     
  14. davejames

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    I'm not a comic book purist by any means, and usually have no problem with movies reinventing a few things or having their own unique style.... but nothing I've heard so far about this new Fantastic Four movie fills me with even the slightest bit of confidence.
     
  15. Tosk

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    Every bit of info makes me want to see this even more. :shifty:
     
  16. Enterprise1701

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    Has there been any official word from the producers that Fantastic Four will be in the same universe as the X-Men movies?
     
  17. Beagleman

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    I truly believe that this whole thing is a multi-million dollar trol... And I'm loving it. :D
     
  18. Mr. Adventure

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    Missed opportunity, they should've made him "Doctor Dom".
     
  19. RJDiogenes

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    Nah, he should be "Doxxer Doom." :guffaw:

    This is going to be awful beyond belief. :rommie:
     
  20. Mr Light

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    Next thing you're gonna tell me they don't even wear costumes, but containment suits or summat :wtf: