Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Turtletrekker, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    ^There's never been a single invariant way in which the Thing's anatomy has been depicted in the comics. Kirby made him fairly thick and squat, but no more than the other musclemen Kirby drew. Other artists have done a variety of things with his proportions. He blew up to ridiculous size in the '90s, ended up with hands bigger than his head, stuff like that. But that was an era when many superheroes had similarly exaggerated physiques -- and that still happens a lot today. I think we shouldn't take the way superheroes are proportioned in the comics too literally. Even with CGI, the anatomy should be designed to be believable in three dimensions and in motion. As I recall, The Avengers's Hulk was designed more naturalistically than the comics' Hulk; for one thing, the movie version has more body fat and less muscle definition in repose, so that he has "somewhere to go," i.e. shows more musculature when he flexes or tenses. So the goal in CGI isn't to exactly duplicate the proportions of comics characters, which are often caricatured and stylized, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness. And with so many different styles of caricature, how can you really define which is the correct shape for a given character?
     
  2. Kai "the spy"

    Kai "the spy" Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Location:
    What do you mean? I'm right here.
    Now, I have no problem with Ben turning back into the Thing to beat Doom. Problem is, he refused to "cure" himself again afterwards. That ending basically said "I'm a big, hideous monster who can't even cross the street without breaking the pavement, and I like it that way". That's why it sucked.

    I guess they did cure Ben in the comics, but that was always just temporary. He always reverted back into the Thing, and not voluntarily. Least, that's how I remember it.
     
  3. lurok

    lurok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Location:
    Lost in the EU expanse with a nice cup of tea
    Hasn't there been talk of trying to shoehorn Namor and Black Panther into MarvelMovieverse? I thought this might be prime opportunity: the misunderstood antagonist. (Or do Marvel have rights on those?).

    No way they'll abandon the iconic blue outfits either but I've never seen this version. Kinda cool and a bit more cine-genic....
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Marvel has the rights to both Namor and Black Panther. Now that Daredevil has gone back to Marvel, all Fox has are the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.
     
  5. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2001
    Location:
    Mr. Adventure
    I thought I hit the Oblivion thread by mistake for a sec.
     
  6. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Really, in the movie they never should have introduced the idea that "curing" Ben was within reach simply because of the reasons already stated, it means the character pretty much HAS TO choose to remain in his current state, even if it defies logic. You might as well have had Ben say, "No thanks, Rick. I know you can cure me but doing so would render my character useless and we're trying to start a franchise here."

    It's a subject they shouldn't have even broached and just left their conditions as being incurable. It's been a while since I've even seen the first movie, what was the reason Ben was shortly turned back human? Dr. Doom needed to use the machine to make himself more powerful... or something?

    Anyway, it's a topic that really shouldn't have been breached or suggested because it simply opens that door for people to say, "Why isn't he cured yet? Why not switch back and forth?" It's sort of like in every other episode of Voyager they came across a way to get home but by the end of the episode couldn't because then the show would be over. It's Gilligan's Island Syndrome.

    Hell, if they really "wanted it both ways" go the way that 1990s, never released, movie went and give Ben the "ability" to switch back and forth.

    If you've not seen it: In the never released movie from the 1990s (IIRC only made so the studio could keep the rights to the movie franchise. They simply had to "make a movie" even if they didn't release one. So they threw one together for like a million dollars.) A couple of times in the movie Thing reverts back to his human form, usually when he "let his guard down" and let people in. In particular around Alicia Masters. (Going along with the idea the F4's powers manifested from personality faults with the group.)

    Granted even that sort of mutes the "tragedy" of the character and makes him that much more like the Hulk but it's better than, "Meh. I'm fine being a hideous, giant, monster who can't go anywhere or do anything without breaking things, causing great damage, or being a big hindrance to everyone and everything. Hell, I can't even sleep with my girlfriend without destroying her vagina. So, leave me as giant rock even though we can totally fix that right now."

    But, again, I think Chiklis did a great job as Grimm/The Thing as is probably the best thing about that movie short of Jessica Alba's scantly clad body. I didn't much care for Ion Guerillaglue as Reed and Evans actually was pretty good as The Human Torch, he played "cocky asshole" pretty well. The effects used for THT weren't very good, though. Looked nothing like fire in a time when CGI Fire was a 101 class in "learn to be a CGI animator school."
     
  7. SiddFinch1

    SiddFinch1 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Location:
    State of Mind
    Glad to see Irs not dead. Hope its.good. the FF deserves a great movie. Shouldn't be behind Xmens and avengers and spidey
     
  8. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Location:
    Morrowind
    Check out the map markers in the next-to-last scene of Iron Man 2.
     
  9. Captaindemotion

    Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 26, 2001
    Location:
    Ireland
    Nope. That would be:

    http://www.jackreachermovie.com/
     
  10. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Location:
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    Boy, those white uniforms look awful.
     
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Oh, I quite like the Future Foundation uniforms.
     
  12. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Location:
    RJDiogenes of Boston
    I've never liked white clothes. Except for athletic socks and lab coats. :rommie:
     
  13. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Location:
    Escaped from Delta Vega
    Same here...and this time, no terrible casting for the role of Sue Storm.
     
  14. beamMe

    beamMe Commodore

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2011
    Location:
    Europa
    Serkis was on set in many of his shots and scenes during the filming of the Lord of the Rings films.
    They used a mixture of his on-set performances and mocap.
     
  15. lurok

    lurok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Location:
    Lost in the EU expanse with a nice cup of tea
    You'd need a pretty good physique to pull off that white outfit in live-action.
     
  16. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    ^ Ain't we seen 'em on screen before?
    [LEFT]

    [/LEFT]

    [​IMG]



    ... But really, it all depends on the time period, I think. The Story movies got the right shade of blue for the 21st-century. A period piece could go with a lighter hue. As for the white... I guess it could work. Would probably be a royal pain to film, though.
     
  17. lurok

    lurok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Location:
    Lost in the EU expanse with a nice cup of tea
    I'd erased The Island from memory but thanks for the visual jog :techman: That could be an alt Sue and Johnny. And yeah, imagine be a pain of original Superman proportions to get right on film.
     
  18. Agenda

    Agenda Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    For a Michael Bay movie, the Island is actually not that bad.

    I repeat: for a Michael Bay movie.
     
  19. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Well, he DID rip the movie's plot off basically note-for-note so we can't give him too much credit.
     
  20. theenglish

    theenglish Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2001
    Location:
    Suriname
    Right, a useful way to get around the cosmic ray problem, and it makes me wonder if FOX will make an Ultimate version of the FF similar to the recent Spider-Man movie.

    And, regarding Ben's cure, it seems that the real simple explanation would be that the cure could work but something disastrous has to happen. Like a life has to be traded for a life or something; or it was only Doom's physiology that made the machine work in the first place.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2012