Episode of the Week: Haven

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Captrek, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    Tasha Yar, the character who controls the tractor beam, doesn't consider using the tractor beam. This is the writers making the character act like an idiot so that they can make Picard look good. Unfortunately, as I've said above, Picard is himself an idiot in this scene because while he planned to use the tractor beam the whole time, he doesn't tell ANYONE about it. Not Haven, not Yar, nobody.

    Tell me, how is Picard not telling anyone, including the planet that's at risk, that he does have a plan to prevent the ship from getting into range beneficial? This isn't a time of war, nobody is listening in, yet Picard doesn't give anyone any sense of reassurance that he's on top of everything. SFDebris said it best.

    "Well, with no time left Picard orders a tractor beam which easily stops them. So you just decided to keep that info to yourself Picard, huh? Build up all this false tension? You didn't even let Tasha in on it. We all kind of assume with you NOT MENTIONING IT whenever the situation came up that you had no other options but violence, that you were looking for all these different ideas. Riker saying "I'm going to go reflect upon the situation" and all that when the answer was tractor beam the whole time. Just when the administer calls begging you to shoot them to save her, you never told her "Don't worry. My tractor beam will stop them" you kept acting like it was the only solution and that you weren't going to do it so that she and the rest of Haven should start distributing cyanide tablets to avoid a gruesome death that they would otherwise face. You're like Batman having an anti-Joker spray in your utility belt and acting like you're not sure how you're going to stop him before he blows up a skyscraper, only to arrive, spray him once and call it a day."
     
  2. Timo

    Timo Admiral Admiral

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    She doesn't "unconsider" it in any way, either. She just says that a planetary leader's recent request could be accommodated without any inconvenience.

    What an odd idea. Why should anybody assume he lacks a plan? Is it a reasonable assumption that Starfleet doesn't know how to stop a vessel, has never done it before, and will not be able to do it now, either?

    Our heroes may sometimes have to explain themselves to the other characters and/or to the audience. But explaining something this routine and self-evident? Doesn't wash.

    Essentially, you are asking for a Star Trek hero to explain that he has the ability to stop an attacker by using this clever invention called phaser, or the ability to tell what species the attacker is by using this device known as tricorder, or the ability to reach a planetary surface using a transporter or a shuttlecraft. No such explanations should ever be necessary. And failing to waste everybody's time with them is not "secrecy". :rolleyes:

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  3. inflatabledalek

    inflatabledalek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    My deep dark secret: I like Laxwana. I think she's funny.



    I am a sick, sick, sick man. Pity me. :(


    The rest of the episode is a bit forgettable though, and it's lucky for Wyatt that he's going to live with the sexiest plague victims in history.
     
  4. erastus25

    erastus25 Commodore Commodore

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    I'm going to contend that Troi was also terrible in DS9, contrary to the assertion at the beginning of the original review. For instance, Fascination...
     
  5. Captrek

    Captrek Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ^ I consider it more an opinion than an assertion. Your opinion is probably shared by more Niners than mine. I agree with the popular opinion that the episodes in which she appears are not good episodes but I find the Lwaxana-Odo relationship to be a bright spot in episodes that are otherwise not so bright.
     
  6. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    Wasting everybody's time, you say? Let me try to rewrite the scene to fix that.

    Yar: The ship is just 30 seconds away from coming into range of our Tractor beam range sir.
    Picard: Do you detect anything on that vessel that may cause problems with the beam?
    Tasha: None that I can detect. But If there are problems, I'm certain I can disable their ship with a phaser burst Captain.
    Picard: Very well. Stand by tractor beam.

    There. I just made everyone sound competent, in control and ahead of their game. Picard wants to tractor the ship as soon as possible, Yar is prepared just incase the beam doesn't work, and Picard trusts her combat abilities enough should the situation become require aggressive measures.

    A good Captain should always fill his crew in on things even if they are obvious. If they were simply throwing trash away, maybe there could be room for Picard to act this way, but this is a planetary crises. You should have the crew alerted and aware of every option available to them, especially the ones who clearly don't think of it.
     
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  7. T'Girl

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    So could firing on the engines. Remember in the Star Trek universe, usually when the engines stop - so does the ship.

    Disabling the engines is a one time action. Stopping the ship with a tractor beam requires a ongoing effort, you discontinue the beam and the ship heads again towards the planet.

    Tasha's advice involve the least time and effort on the part of the Enterprise.

    Tasha was meant (imho) to sound practical and proactive. Her's was to be the voice action, not diplomacy.

    Picard could then be seen to be diplomatic and "let's not rush."

    :)
     
  8. Timo

    Timo Admiral Admiral

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    The problem with Yar's proposal is indeed "Then what?".

    Stopping the plague ship with a tractor beam leaves her intact to depart and travel to other destinations, such as an assigned safe quarantine area. Stopping the plague ship with a phaser leaves her stranded on orbit around Haven! Talk about ongoing effort...

    Really, the idea that Yar, or Worf, or Data, would be unaware of the potential of the tractor beam is... Insulting. And if Picard reminded them of the beam's existence, he'd appear condescending. There's absolutely no need for Picard to "bring the crew up to speed" on any "plans" of his, unless one wants to emphasize the unprofessionalism of said crew.

    Of course, Picard could just say "Tractor beam stand by" to the benefit of the audience. But he doesn't need to.

    As for only acting in the nick of time, well, it's not as if there was harm done. Picard just gave the Tarellians the chance to turn back or otherwise respond to his ultimatums without escalating the situation. Haven knows these people would be desperate enough without extra harassing!

    Timo Saloniemi