Episode-a-week: Encounter at Farpoint

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  1. BillJ

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    For what it's worth, the wide angle shot from Farpoint shows both the saucer and stardrive at sublight immediately after separation. Then the next time we see the stardrive it's back at warp.
     
  2. Timo

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    ...And that's an interesting issue vis-á-vis the recent Blu-Ray redoing. Bernd Schneider's blow-by-blow analysis of that at the Ex Astris Scientia site doesn't touch upon the issue, but I suppose the scene might well have been reshot in CGI, like so many other complex VFX scenes were. Is the lack of warp streaks still evident there, or have the streaks been inserted?

    Dialogue would seem to require the separation to take place at high warp. Or did Picard perhaps decide to listen to the warnings of his experts at the very last minute, and ordered the ship to brake really acutely just before separation?

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  3. BillJ

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    No warp streaks in either version.

    They are still at warp when separation begins, clearly. Perhaps separation pops the warp bubble?
     
  4. Timo

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    To grasp at an excuse, we might say that the streaks are a matter of camera placement. Their absence here and in TOS or the TOS movies simply means the camera sits outside the warp bubble, as opposed to it sitting inside the bubble in the streaking TNG shots...

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  5. inflatabledalek

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  6. BillJ

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    That was longer than the episode itself. :lol:

    I'm also someone who liked the way Picard pushed Riker when he first came aboard. But then I always liked the season one and two version of Picard better than what the character became later on.
     
  7. BriGuy

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    Based on everything I've ever seen, heard or read about the 1701-D, the saucer has no warp capability.

    Since separation at any warp speed was considered "inadvisable," as Data said, it was probably never envisioned that the ship would separate at warp velocity. When separated at warp, it seems safe to presume that eventually the saucer would slow to sub-light speed -- how long that would take is open to conjecture.

    The saucer only has impulse engines - two; the star drive section has one. The M/AM reactor and warp engines are all contained in the star drive section, hence its name.

    The saucer did arrive at Farpoint after the star drive. The ship was heading in that direction, who knows how close they were, the star drive did double back. I have no doubt the saucer traveled at impulse speed to get there.
     
  8. BriGuy

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    I have no doubt the separation took place at warp. They were trying to keep their distance from Q, including using the photon explosions in an effort to "hide" the ship's separation from him. (Although how or why they thought that would work I have no idea... think you can blind an entity like that with a little torpedo?)

    The star drive swung around and continued at warp back toward Q; the saucer eventually fell out of warp.
     
  9. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    ^ Yet the photon explosions happened how many minutes after the actual separation?
     
  10. Captrek

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    I’m not convinced the saucer separation in the context of the story made any sense at all. They just really wanted an excuse to show off separation and the battle bridge in the pilot and this is what they came up with. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, but it holds together better than, say, any of the subsequent feature films.
     
  11. BriGuy

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    My guess is they were compensating for the time delay between when the separation happened and when the "hostile" would have seen it from their perspective.
     
  12. BriGuy

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    Could be one of those things where "if we don't do it/build it now, we'll never get it."

    I believe that was true of the engineering set. They wrote a scene in engineering just so it would get built.

    Also recall reading that the separation effect sequence was costly, which is why it wasn't seen more often.
     
  13. MikeS

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    Nothing lengthy or over-windy about that. I enjoyed it as it reflected alot of my memories and thoughts of "TNG in the UK"! Please, keep it up. :bolian:
     
  14. inflatabledalek

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    Met Michael Bell at Auto Assembly this weekend, nice guy and he had some tidbits about shooting the pilot:

    He originally auditioned for Q ("I don't think they'd realised how old I was!").

    Though he didn't recall it at first Rodenberry reminded him of a pilot he'd hired Bell on but he'd walked off after falling out with the other lead actor ("Does that mean I don't get this job?" "No, you were right in the end, he was a dick!").

    After being assured it was perfectly safe he took what would have been a nasty fall out of the harness he was hung up from if not for the stunt man insisting they put mats down even though the stun coordinator didn't think they were needed (he joked he only got his later Trek guest spots as a pay off for not suing).

    Brent Spiner was really, really unhappy during the making of the pilot (or at least the scenes with Bell), constantly complaining- especially (and understandably- about the make up. Bell's response was ultimately "If the make ups that bad for you I'll do it!".

    Got my Blu Ray set signed as well:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...1029246144219.440565.611524218&type=3&theater
     
  15. tomswift2002

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    One thing that's always bothered me about Farpoint is Troi's line when she answer's Zorn's concern's about her being a Betazoid. Troi says that her mother was Betazoid, but her father "was a Starfleet Officer". What did Troi mean by that! It's such a non-sequitur. If she said that to me I'd be asking her what she meant, since she could've meant that her father was human, Vulcan, Andorian, any number of species, even another telepathic species that just happens to be human-looking.
     
  16. Jeyl

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    Kind of reinforces Azetbur's "The Federation is no more than a 'homo sapiens' only club." line if being labeled a starfleet officer (part of the Federation) means you're human. But than again, this is Gene Roddenberry's TNG where anything that makes you special should be thrown away so you can be just as awesome as the human race!

    Data: I am superior sir. In many ways. But I would gladly give it up to be human.

    And last but not least, the line "I can only sense emotions" was a flat out lie.
     
  17. Timo

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    ..Unless Troi's abilities were boosted by the encounter with the super-duper-telepatic space jellyfish here, and stayed boosted for the rest of her adventures. :devil:

    One might accept Troi's parentage statement as actually being informative if it were clear to everybody that there were no Betazoids serving as Starfleet officers - or at least that there had been none back when Troi was conceived. It wouldn't matter whether Dad was human, Andorian or whatnot, as the only bit of information Troi was conveying was that she wasn't a full Betazoid. :p

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  18. Jeyl

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    I was referring to her ability to communicate telepathically with others. I would consider that a different ability than sensing emotions.
     
  19. Timo

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    But the Imzadi thing could be considered a totally separate ability, having nothing to do with her ability to probe the minds of strangers. Sort of like a man being inquired about his unarmed combat skills would dispute the rumor that he can poke his finger through a stomach while never bringing up his skill of penetrating a woman's stomach with his penis along the appropriate opening. Not even apples and oranges, but more like apples and orangutans.

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  20. MikeS

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    A Hee-va?