Enterprise-D vs. Voyager (extenuating circumstances)

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  1. The Enterprise-D and The Voyager meet in the Beta Quadrant. Both believe the other needs to be destroyed for some strange reason. Communication with Starfleet is impossible.

    The Enterprise-D has onboard Reginald Barclay after his intelligence was fully enhanced by the Cytherians. The Voyager has the 29th century Borg onboard.

    Each ship has their normal complement, but the aformentioned individuals are the acting captains for this scenario.

    Also, calling upon allies is not possible, and this is the 4th season version for both ships. Who wins this battle?
     
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  2. R. Star

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    This is the case of a battleship vs a destroyer pretty much. The E-D wins easily... as the 29th century Borg said, there's only so many enhancements a ship can make based on the technology it has so that would pretty much cancel each other out.
     
  3. Voyager has more firepower than the Enterprise, though, correct?
     
  4. Finn

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    I'd say the Enterprise, since Barclay was able to do things far beyond what the drone could do.
     
  5. Delsaber

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    In a Star Trek battle between two ships, one named Enterprise, the other not, the Enterprise will almost always win... eventually. Even if it takes two hours of running time and/or a bunch of children to do it.
     
  6. R. Star

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    No.. Voyager's about half the size of Enterprise-D.

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  7. You're probably right. If Barclay was able to create a 'portal' in space, which whisked the Enterprise to the center of the galaxy, I doubt anything the Borg drone could do to the Voyager would matter. In fact, Barclay probably could've figured out a way to defeat the Borg shielding the Voyager employed in "Endgame."
     
  8. T'Girl

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    If pound for pound and ton for ton, both ship's were equal then the Enterprise wins. The Enterprise simply brings more of everything to a fight. Let's say that in the opening moment of the battle both ship's lose a 150 people, the Voyager now has no crew and is lifeless, the Enterprise has another 850 people for a victory party.

    It's like a well muscled 6 year old taking on a 20 year old prize fighter.

    :)
     
  9. A smaller size doesn't necessarily translate to less firepower, though. Voyager is smaller than the Enterprise but is capable of faster speeds.
     
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  11. R. Star

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    I think those were from fan productions... everything else is accurate.

    And of course Voyager is faster, it's smaller. That doesn't translate to great combat ability though.
     
  12. Well, R. Star, the Borg Cubes are much more massive than the Enterprise or Voyager, but they are faster than both.
     
  13. R. Star

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    Because they have a superior propulsion system since we're stating the obvious. We're talking about two Federation vessels from roughly the same time period of differing sizes.
     
  14. How fast can the Defiant travel, R.?
     
  15. EmperorTiberius

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    No, Voyager is around 7 times smaller. Even if there are large recreational areas on Galaxy, and even if you take the background info that it's 1/4 empty, there is still a significant gulf in sheer power to be overcome. The only way Voyager would win is throught some sort of trickery, like the BoP in Generations.
     
  16. Deks

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    Except that Voyager was launched roughly 7 years after the Enterprise-D.
    Starfleet was building smaller and more powerful ships ever since the BoBW - the Defiant is a prime example, and Voyager could easily be as well.

    Just because a ship is smaller, doesn't mean it cannot match or surpass the larger ones in terms of combat ability.
    The Enterprise-D has to support a much larger crew, ergo, its life-support (which is a power hog anyway you put it) would draw that much more power compared to the one on Voyager.

    Also... the galaxy class has a number of different non-combat systems which are left on during combat situations.
    Voyager is a stripped down star-ship if anything - minimum amenities... think a compressed Galaxy class.
    Also, while Voyager is able to reach much higher Warp velocities... that could be easily due to more efficient ways of achieving Warp in the first place (variable nacelle geometry) which wouldn't necessarily require more power.

    Btw... since when are small ships inherently faster than bigger ones?
    The Defiant was rather slow if anything and the crew had to go out of their way to increase the speed to levels (without shaking itself apart) where the Intrepid for example would run circles around it (and probably the Galaxy class).

    The approach to the Defiant was to completely remove ALL crew amenities.
    Given the size of the ship, its no surprise either.
    The Intrepid on the other hand is 15 decks large (about 11 decks more than the Defiant).
    While the Intrepid would employ far fewer amenities compared to the Galaxy class, if it was built with the similar philosophy in mind like the Defiant, then it would be able to match a Galaxy class in combat situation.

    The torpedo counts between both ships is a different story.
    Its probable the Galaxy class has an inherently larger storage capacity given its size... but the Intrepid would NOT be limited to mere 36 photons (because the Defiant was left with 45 after a large combat), and rather the number could be in well over 100 range.

    The Galaxy class would have more torpedoes to spare, but I doubt either ships shields would hold on until they expended 100 of them each (actually both would collapse probably when reaching the number 10, maybe 15 or so).
     
  17. RB_Kandy

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    Voyager was "theoretically" a weaker, but much faster ship than Enterprise D. However, according to the Voyager episodes, the ship was dozens of times more powerful than than Enterprise D.
    Look at the fact that a lone borg cube wiped out something like half the federation ships. in Best Of Both Worlds. And Enterprise D was powerless to stop it.
    Now Voyager takes on a Borg Tactical cube, you know, a borg cube amped up to the inth degree. And single handedly cripples the cube. Wow, either Voyager is tough, or Brannon Braga needs to be taken out to the wood shed.
     
  18. MacLeod

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    The ships are as weak or strong as the plot dictates.
     
  19. Tiberius

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    No. Why would you think that? The Enterprise D is a capital ship, designed to be able to complete many different types of missions, including battleship. We saw quite a few of them in the Dominion War.

    Voyager is a science vessel.
     
  20. MacLeod

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    Voyager, is not a dedicated science vessel, if any class from that era could be classed as a dedicated science vessel it would be the Nova Class just as the Oberth Class was the science vessel of the late 23rd early 24th century.
     
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