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Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Allyn Gibson, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. Allyn Gibson

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    Which is exactly why I wonder. The actress' natural accent doesn't tell us a thing about the character she's playing. :)
     
  2. Greg Cox

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    But only slightly!
     
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    Yup, most of the zombies are flown in directly from shopping centres over here...
     
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    Anyone seen S2 opener yet? Maybe needs a new thread.

    Just saying that the show took some fricking shockin' liberties with London locations :). I'm sure there'll be fan/nerd-rage over the 221b scenes.

    Was nice to see Ifans as Mycroft though (sure that's not a spoiler). And Pertwee as Lestrade.
     
  5. Christopher

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    ^What do you mean about liberties being taken with locations?

    Sean Pertwee as Lestrade! Awesome! They called him "Gareth" here, which is new; canonically, he's simply G. Lestrade. (He was Giles Lestrade on BBC Radio and Greg Lestrade on Sherlock, although that version seems to be an amalgam of Lestrade and Gregson.) And they referenced "The Adventure of the Norwood Builder," which was indeed one of the stories Lestrade was in.

    My problem is, I grew up with the Granada Holmes series pronouncing "Lestrade" with a long A, rhyming with "trade," so I've come to think of that as the way it should be pronounced (after all, he's English, not French, so it makes sense that the pronunciation would've been Anglicized), and the French-style pronunciation that every other production uses, rhyming with (the American pronunciation of) "trod," always sounds wrong to me.

    I'm more lukewarm about Mycroft. I don't get why the modern Mycrofts have to be so... thin. At least this Mycroft was formerly obese, and possibly formerly lazy as well, though that seemed more like Sherlock being hurtful. But I suppose the subplot of his attempt to make amends with his brother fit the theme of the episode. I guess Rhys Ifans doesn't do much for me as a performer.

    Nice that they actually shot in London -- though I think the 221B interior was a stateside set, since Joan looked greenscreened in front of the window.
     
  6. Allyn Gibson

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    I had mixed feelings on "Step Nine."

    Good: the episode didn't use "London Calling," which is the cliched song whenever an American series crosses the Pond. I'm not sure "Hello" by Oasis was any better. Britpop, really? You'd think we'd traveled back in time to 1995.

    Bad: I didn't really care about Lestrade, how Holmes left him hanging, how his life had gone downhill. It wasn't Pertwee's fault. The script had other things going, and it let us down there.

    Good: Watson in the ersatz Batgirl t-shirt. That was a fantasy I didn't even know I had.

    Bad: Holmes' jealous rant when Watson says Mycroft wants to take her to dinner.

    Good: Rhys Ifans. He had good material to work with and I totally bought him as Holmes' older brother. (Speaking of which, I loved the call back to "The Greek Interpreter" with Watson's exasperation at the discovery that Holmes had an older brother.) I wish he were a bit more canonical, but for all we know at this point he really does work for the British government and his restaurant business is, like Universal Export for James Bond, a front for his other activities.

    Bad: The pointless destruction at the end. I'm not sure why that was necessary, I'm not clear how that's supposed to get Sherlock's attention. It was random.

    Good: The mystery. I was glad the episode didn't give us red herrings or blind alleys. We started from the assumption that the guy had done it, and then it was a matter of Holmes figuring out how it was done.

    Also good: Watson stopping the pigeon guy in Washington Square Park. I'd like to think she used baritsu. :)

    Overall I enjoyed "Step Nine." The Lestrade stuff, no offense to Pertwee, was the episode's main stumbling block. The rest was solid, and hopefully we'll see Mycroft again.
     
  7. Greg Cox

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    I'm not sure that was actually Highgate Cemetery in the opening, either. I didn't look like how I remember it.
     
  8. Christopher

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    ^Still, since Sean Pertwee lives in England, my expectation would be that all of his material was shot in London. Seems the simplest way to arrange things.
     
  9. Aldo

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    I enjoyed it a lot, and to me it felt more natural having him operate in London (well duh, you must be saying). I didn't mind the absence of Aiden Quinn and the other cop either.
     
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    CBS used it in the promos for the episode over the past month, though. I groaned when I heard it too, and was pleasantly surprised to see it not used in the actual episode.
     
  11. Christopher

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    It occurred to me to wonder if the song they were playing might be "London Calling," because I've heard the name of the song, but I have no idea what it actually sounds like. Or who performed it. Or what it's about, besides, well, you know.
     
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    Kids, today. No respect for the classics.

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c[/yt]
     
  13. lurok

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    I've only watched once so might be wrong, but the ones that popped out were:

    * Highgate. Less manicured and more overgrown, rambling. But I guess they either weren't allowed to film there or didn't want to.

    * Baker St. Not sure where they filmed that. But filming at actual 221b (which I think from memory is a museum/tourist trap) either not practical (it's a busy main road) or they wanted something more hipster.

    * New Scotland Yard. I'm sure we saw an establishing sign, and then the next minute they're by the river several miles away overlooking Tower Bridge :). Again, that's probably impracticality of real location, and production desire to get a cool riverfront shot that screams 'LONDON'.
     
  14. Christopher

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    ^I did note that Holmes never said his abode was 221B Baker Street -- just "221B."
     
  15. Allyn Gibson

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    Did any other than me count the number of steps? It was difficult to tell, because the camera angle changed when the stairwell curved, but I came up with sixteen steps, rather than the canonical seventeen.
     
  16. Christopher

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    ^Gasp! Have they no respect for canon? Next they'll make Watson a woman or something! :D
     
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    They wouldn't dare !

    You'll be telling me Watson's a damned foreigner next...
     
  18. lurok

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    Good catch :). Will look out for that on rewatch. The location stuff doesn't personally bother me. More amusing, and am used to a certain crazy artistic licence in this city. Am curious whether there'll be other London eps though, or whether that's a one-off.
     
  19. Christopher

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    It's not uncommon to favor a scenic location over geographic accuracy. In Continuum, a show that's actually set in Vancouver as well as filmed there, the famous Vancouver Public Library is used to represent the exterior of the city's police headquarters.
     
  20. Relayer1

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    In Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves, Robin lands at the White Cliffs of Dover with 'We'll be in Nottingham by nightfall'.

    That's not bad going - it's 215 miles !