Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by borgboy, Nov 28, 2013.
It seems it's going to take some Prophet magic from The Sisko to get DS9-R off the ground at this point - or is that profit magic for CBS?!!
I'd love to see it happen, but I think 'profit' says it all. Is DS9 in HD going to be more profitable for CBS than other projects using the same resources?
I'm fairly certain that DS9 will eventually be released on Blu-ray as a complete remaster like TNG was: providing it's economically viable.
And I would say it's resoundingly economically viable. They not only can sell blu-rays, but also have it on places like Hulu, Amazon, or Netflix, like they do now. Have no idea what the cost is to Netflix or Amazon of Hulu or some other online streaming company, but they only pay based on someone actually watching an episode. So it's a constant trickle of $$ or ¢.
That being said... once it's converted to blu-ray or high def.. that's it. After that, they just soak up the revenue stream. Might only be a trickle, but over time and the years, it will easily pay for the cost of conversion.
Same can be said of Voyager too.
I have Netflix, but still collect ST:TNG blu ray seasons. -of the few things I do collect in blu-ray.
I believe from what I've read, that Enterprise was done in 720p which was the HD at that time.
That being said, they still have enough detail that up scaling to 1080p would be acceptable, even if it didn't have the exceptional clarity of a scene rendered in true 1080.
Nah, Enterprise was mastered in 1080p right from the start. However, visual effect shots in the first two or three seasons were often upscaled to save time and weren't redone for the Blu-ray. In fact, nothing was redone for the Blu-ray (except for a bit of colour-correction, possibly); they are just transfers of those original masters - a very quick and easy revenue stream for CBS.
True, but I wonder how much CBS made/are making on the ENT sets. From what I can gather, they didn't/aren't exactly selling like the proverbial hotcakes.
720p still is HD.
Arguably, it is not.
Some NX flybys on the blus even looked like upscaled 480p to me, they were so blurry/blocky.
The VFX were rendered at varying resolutions depending on available rendering horsepower, time, and money. Most of S1 and S2 were done at 480p, complex shots that were deemed needing the increased detail were rendered at 720p. By S3 and S4 all new VFX was 720p, very occasionally 1080p if deemed necessary to cut down aliasing, etc. Stock 480p shots of Enterprise at warp from S1 were reused throughout all the seasons and it sticks out a like sore thumb once you see them in one shot and then in another is a newer nicer 720p render.
I would have been happy with the Enterprise BluRays if they had been a transfer from the original masters. But apparently they have used the TV masters, which have those abrupt "commercial break fade outs". I don't know if that's also the case with seasons three and four, I don't have them yet.
And I think the picture is far too pink, at least in season one.
Now I might be mistaken but PAL had 625 lines scanned at 576i, of which double would be 1152, HD is 1080 which is less than that wouldn't that mean HD isn't HD. Using the definition it has to be at least double
Bear in mind PAL was the more widely used system around the world than NTSC.
In any case, I'm not holding my breath. Considering the time it took between announcements that they were going to do the TNG BluRays and the time the sampler was released, it's already very clear we're not getting anything between now early 2015.
After that, who knows. But for the people who are saying it's definatly happening, we just don't know when yet..... It's probably safer for your patience to asume it won't happen, and be pleasently surprised, then to suddenly wake up 10 years from now and realising it still hasn't happened.
People keep claiming it WILL happen because TOS, TNG and ENT happened. The markt for TNG and TOS is huge compared to DS9 and VOY, and the only reason ENT happened was because it was cost-effective, meaning that even limited sales would mean a profit, even if it wasn't huge.
DS9 and VOY are the most costly to do, compared to TNG and TOS, even with the new SFX made for TOS, since it wasn't done for all the episodes and it was only for three seasons. The work needed for DS9 and VOY is much, much more.
On the season 4 Blu-ray set there is a new deleted scene in HD. It wasn't on the DVDs. Strange...
The "original masters" probably have the fade-outs already in them. Every TV show is edited that way. TNG Blu-rays have them, too.
Not sure about earlier seasons, I'd have to refresh my memory, but Season 4 acts always ended with a sudden cut to black, rather than a slow fade out. They were like that back when somebody used to take UPN's HD broadcasts and torrent them back in 2004... long before legal streaming and downloading existed.
You're not confusing one of the episodes which I think had an option to read a deleted scene in script form? The trouble is having passed on my DVDs when the Blu rays came out, I can't go back and check. There's a possibility I'd not seen some trims made to "Home" before, where Trip discusses his feelings for T'Pol wth her mother. Other extra bits like Romulan Admiral Valdore being arrested, taken away by Reman guards and stuff from the Mirror Universe two-parter dated back to DVD.
The fade-outs on the BDs are different from the fade-outs on the DVDs. On the DVDs the music faded out slowly or cross faded into the music of the next scene, while on the BDs there sometimes is an abrupt fade-out.
I'm not going to buy what I consider poor material (TNG seasons six and seven) just to justify DS9.
Don't know whether this campaign's been mentioned...
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