DS9 Millennium

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  1. Sxottlan

    Sxottlan Commodore Commodore

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    I read the trilogy once when it came out. What? 2000? 2001? I'm not remembering a lot right now, but I do remember loving them. I've been thinking I should dig them out again.
     
  2. Defcon

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    IMO a mediocre trilogy, and probably one of the most overrated projects in TrekLit history.

    Although I would say the same about many of the Reeves-Stevens books, so probably I just think they're overrated.:shrug:
     
  3. Thrawn

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    I loved Federation, but aside from that, yeah. I'm glad I'm not the only one :lol:
     
  4. RonG

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    IMO, it was the most epic Trek story up till that point -(Federation, Q-Squared and Vendetta had been the previous titleholders in that regard :cool:)

    But, as much as I hold this story in high regard (also because it's one of the preludes to DS9R AFAIK), it pales in comparison to what we got in later years (especially, of course, Destiny :techman:)
     
  5. Smellincoffee

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    I just read the second book last night. Dukat's using the Mirror-Universe version of Terok Nor for his...er, congregation of dead people.

    "Can I get an Amojan from YOU?"
     
  6. Thrawn

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    Yeah. Between DS9R, Vanguard, Destiny, and even Voyager now with Full Circle and Unworthy, "epic" has developed a new meaning in TrekLit in the last decade.
     
  7. Reanok

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    I like the Millenium Trilogy I like the different Au turn the books took and the the twists and turns the characters and the story took before the ds9 crew were able to return to their own time.
     
  8. JD

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    Agreed. Each time I don't think they could possibly outdo themselves, they actually manage to a couple years down the line. And that is a good thing.:techman:
     
  9. Therin of Andor

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    I enjoyed the trilogy very much. I did find the middle volume to be slow-going at times, but then the whole thing raced to its amazing conclusion. And then, because the omnibus came with new material (Allyn Gibson's timeline), I had to buy it all over again. ;)
     
  10. ICW

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    How well does this hold up to the "prime" timeline?
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

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    Erm, much of it's a radical alternate future which is undone at the end. Some of the events were touched upon in "Watching the Clock"
     
  12. Starbreaker

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    I remember really loving this trilogy when I read it in... 7th grade. Wow. I might reread them one day soon. It might not hold up, but it probably will.
     
  13. DS9forever

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    There is a reference to Farpoint Station being in existence, but I think one of the Titan novels have since stated Farpoint was never built.
     
  14. OverlordSpock

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    I absolutely love Millennium. It may not be Destiny epic, but it is definitely one of the true epic Star Trek stories. (Of course, Millennium actually dealt with the end of the Universe, whereas Destiny only dealt with the Federation... :) ).

    As for whether it fits in with the current TrekLit Primeverse, I don't remember anything in it directly contradicting the Primeverse. Of course, it came out shortly before the Primeverse really got going with the DS9 relaunch, so it can't actually be held to the Primeverse. In my own personal continuity, it does fit in with the Primeverse, for whatever that's worth. :techman:
     
  15. RoJoHen

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    I don't remember anything at all about the story of these novels. All I remember is thinking they were fucking amazing.
     
  16. Christopher

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    Well, let's see. Millennium says "After more than a decade of intricate negotiation and elaborate construction, the Farpoint Starbase on Deneb IV was finally about to be activated." What Riker said in Orion's Hounds was:
    So Riker's saying that Farpoint's reconstruction wasn't completed in time to support that original exploratory push before Starfleet's priorities shifted further inward with the emergence of new threats from the Romulans and Borg. Millennium saying that it took a dozen years to finally get it up and running (since that's how long the trilogy is set after "Farpoint") is compatible with that. It got built, just too little, too late.

    As far as I know, there are no major inconsistencies between Millennium and the main novel continuity. It was written after the series ended (though set a year earlier), so it has no significant discrepancies from canon. I've always had the impression that it was kind of "grandfathered in" to the post-series DS9 continuity, at least implicitly.

    Also, a bit of the temporal physics discussion in Millennium, particularly the concept of the "Feynman curve," was referenced in DTI: Watching the Clock (and will be again in Forgotten History).
     
  17. ATimson

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    I know that Marco had indicated as such on the boards, though I don't think any in-text connections were drawn. (I think the epilogue might not quite line up with the books and the election of the kai - but I guess it's moot since it looks like the books are done depicting that era.)
     
  18. Christopher

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    ^Well, it's not like there aren't a few inconsistencies within the novelverse already.
     
  19. Paper Moon

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    For the record, I love Millennium. I too have the omnibus edition mentioned upthread, and it was one of the first Star Trek novels I read. Its epic scope and even its arguable over-the-top-ness brought me into TrekLit. For what it is, it remains one of my favorite Star Trek (series of) novels.

    (Ironically, the Shatnerverse novels, which I read at about the same time, also really drew me to TrekLit. However, I have found that the Shatnerverse novels, unlike Millennium, have not aged well.)

    In terms of reconciling it with the rest of the DS9 relaunch and the Prime novelverse in general, the only difficult thing, I believe, is the epilogue with Jake, Kasidy and the baby. As I understand the sequence of events depicted in the relaunch, Sisko was back for his daughter's birth and stayed around for most of her infancy. Inferno strongly implied that Sisko was still in the wormhole at that point, IIRC.

    Of course, given the 5-year gap with the relaunch right now, as well as the choices Sisko makes in RBOE, I think it would be possible to retcon that epilogue elegantly enough.

    In my personal continuity, Millennium is kind of like the epic 6-part television special that relaunches Deep Space Nine into a weekly television show. Like, Millennium is a special, and then Season 8 commences with either A Stitch In Time or Avatar. (Or perhaps ASIT mixed with The Lives of Dax told within the context of Avatar?) I think Millennium's framing sequences of Sisko talking to the Prophets make a nice immediate follow up to What You Leave Behind.

    Hmm, I'm trying to think of other inconsistencies between Millennium and the Prime novelverse... Millennium nicely ties up some loose threads from Emissary (most glaringly the autodestruct problem), but since so much of it resets in the end, I don't think there are many other "lasting" effects...
     
  20. Relayer1

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    Too out there for me - and people bitch about PAD's excesses ! I like a lot of the Reeves Stevens's stuff but not this one (three).

    And a whopping great 'reset' button. Which may have been the point, but...
     
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