Donny's TOS & TWOK Enterprise Interiors

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  1. Redfern

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    Re: TOS Enterprise Interiors -- Unreal 3 Engine

    Donny? You have the patience of a saint!

    While it's great we have people who are so "knowledgable" about the designs and are so willing to "share" that information, there comes a point of diminishing returns for the effort put into "revisions". I fear I would be several factors past the point of, "That's it! Here are the tools and files; you do it!"

    I'm simply content to sit back and gaze wistfully as you continue to post material that could easily convince the casual viewer they are looking at photographs of standing sets.

    Sincerely,

    Bill
     
  2. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ Agreed. These are, by far, the best renderings I've ever seen of these old halls. The lighting is perfect, the layout is brilliant and I simply cannot wait to get a hold of this thing to walk around in.
     
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    Hear, hear! You've certainly raised the bar.

    --Alex
     
  4. Donny

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    Nah, I'm enjoying all the input. I've never worked in such a way before, and having the extra eyes, mouths, and minds helps drive me to create a better product.

    However, it does seem that some of the more conjectural pieces I include in the project will raise some eyebrows. At the end of the day, although I take in and listen to the differing views, I have to remember that it is my project, and those conjectural pieces will be my artistic mark.

    I'm finding it increasingly difficult, however, to stay true to the "End of Season 3" rule, and will have to change that rule into more of a guideline. Obviously, there isn't enough time in the world for me to create more variations of these sets in their entirety for every difference we find between the sets from episode to episode. But there are also "set pieces", like the mirror from the exam room featured in "The Deadly Years", that I feel compelled to include due to the novelty of such items. I personally feel these rendering would be incomplete without such novelty items, despite their happenstance absence from some Season 3 episodes.

    Therefore, my new rule is that this project is set during a conjectural "Season 4", or "Year 4 of the 5 Year Mission", and that any differences from the late Season 3 sets we can justify by saying that "it got changed before the production of Season 4", for lack of a better way to say it. ;) (Hey, at least I'm not invoking Abrams' alternate universe justification, where everything could go out the window!) Everyone please know that I will not abuse this new rule, and will continue to stay as true to the source material as possible.

    This seems to be the best solution to make myself and others happy.
     
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  5. GSchnitzer

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    Setting things in a conjectural fourth season? Welcome, Mr. Versiga; it will be nice to have the company. ;)

    @Robert Comsol:
    I don't think it's quite as simple as a slow loss of the bedside swing-arm monitors during the run of the show. Yes, the swing-arm is lost from the second bed in second season's "Return to Tomorrow," but then it's back again in the third season's "Elaan of Troyius."
     
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  6. Donny

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    I was going to refrain from posting WIP shots, but after my experience with having to make so many corrections after I'd posted what was supposed to be the "final" shots of the ward room, I don't think withholding WIP shots is a good idea.

    Here's a very early WIP shot of McCoy's office. You'll notice I still have lots of props to place on the shelves. I'm going to have to sculpt the alien skulls by hand in ZBrush (which worries me because I have yet to use Zbrush!), since I doubt I'll be able to find skull meshes quite like those for download somewhere online.
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    The "Journey To Babel" stage 9 plan is incorrect when it comes to the office. It has the shelf walls behind the desk jutting too far out. I struggled a lot with this while constructing the walls last night, and tried to get it as accurate as possible.

    I think I have collected every single screencap of the office through the series, but can't find anything in-focus and close-up on those greenish frame-boards hanging in the alcove. They appear to have scalpels and surgical scissors hanging on them, but I'm not sure. Anyone have any info? GSchnitzer? feek61?
     
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  7. Donny

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    I like what they've done to this sculpture here. It appears they've used the surgical instruments from Space Seed and mounted them on boards similar to the greenish ones in question. Any thoughts?
     
  8. Redfern

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    I never noticed the top corners of those recessed shelves were rounded! So much of TOS set design is sharp edged that it made me go "Huh?" for a moment. But the TekCore screen capture you linked show them plain as day!

    Sincerely,

    Bill
     
  9. Ziz

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    Two thoughts on this -

    1) GSchnitzer and Donny most likely have different monitors and video cards and obviously different eyes (as do the rest of us who comment on lighting/coloring issues.) That in itself is going to result in the image looking brighter/darker/different tones to each person making the whole issue subjective to start with.

    2) Re: Donny's focus on moody lighting - there's two reasons most CG; both video game and FX in films; look the way they do -
    A) Inexperienced CG artists who haven't learned the art of subtlety
    B) Egotistical CG artists who are trying to show off their work instead of making it look the way it's supposed to.

    Forunately, Donny's aware of this and is trying to avoid making the same mistakes. :techman:
     
  10. blssdwlf

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    That's a good idea to adapt that rule as it'll make it easier for you to determine what your final product will be. :techman:

    As to those green artpieces on the wall they look like fabric framed with scalpels and cutting instruments. So absent of a close-up or the actual prop your guess will be just as good, IMO.
     
  11. Donny

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    I can see it now. I'm going to do all this work to get those scalpels and instruments modeled based on some fuzzy screencaps, texture them, light them, get em up on the wall, post some screens, and then someone will unearth some long-forgotten image of those things up-close, and the perfectionist I am will have to start all over to get it accurate...

    ...my worst nightmare...;)
     
  12. blssdwlf

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    ;)

    You don't want to know how many revisions I've done to my stuff :D

    But, I wouldn't worry too much of it as your best guess is still well ahead of anything else out there.
     
  13. Donny

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    Here's what I have to work with...
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    I can definitely make out that some of the tools featured on the "Space Seed" board are present in the CMO office boards as well.

    Man, the set dressers sure couldn't get their stuff straight! It appears the boards swapped places and/or flipped vertically a few times!

    UPDATE:
    I've messed around and tried fitting some of the tools from the "Space Seed Surgical Tool Board" over the shapes on the "CMO Office Surgical Tool Boards". Actually, things turned out nicely. The results are below:

    First, the version from "Space Seed":
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    So, I will probably end up going in this direction.
     
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  14. Robert Comsol

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    The amount of forensic work you devote to the project is amazing, you go where no (or only few) "fan" has gone before according to my knowledge. :techman:

    I don't know what you will (if you want) do about those Season Three Mike Minor paintings that decorated vaious walls. The one with the "red pyramid" had been reprinted in Starlog magazine but that's only one of a dozen.

    Yes. For my deck plans I corrected the shelf wall, too, but - if I'm not mistaken - we both realized a problem: Aligning the office table with the door frame puts the chair and its user in a rather tight spot which somehow isn't what we see onscreen.

    I really don't know what's the story behind these incorrect Stage 9 plan "reproductions" because the office flaw also shows up in the other "blurred" variation (probably "Season Three") of the plan (with the large GNDNs in the engine room and a transporter console) published in The Making of Star Trek, but want to offer a theory:

    • what we have here is not a set construction blueprint with measurements
    • it is apparently a reproduction of the original construction blueprint that also reveals the infrastructure and space available on Stage 9. What it shows foremost are the location of swing walls
    • thus it's probably an orientation sheet sent in advance to the directors to familiarize themselves in advance with the shooting set and show them options (i.e. which walls can be removed for shooting and which ones can't) to plan ahead
    • we also know today that this wasn't sufficient. Matt Jefferies spent extra time on his weekends (talk about devotion to the job) to construct a physical 3D model made from paper to "walk" the directors through this set.
    • unfortunately, his model is apparently based on the Season Three set reproduction and also has the office "flaw".
    If the doors of the sickbay set featured in those reproductions have the correct positions, I can only assume that the actual doctor's office was wider than those reproductions want to make us believe. This is definitely a riddle I'd like to see resolved before even thinking of final CAD deck plans in 2D.

    Whom you gonna call? I think this an opportunity for studio set specialists like feek61 and Mytran to let us know what they think. ;)

    Bob
     
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  17. GSchnitzer

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    Donny:

    I think using all the instruments from the "Space Seed" antique instrument display is inspired!

    The only thing I might add as an option is this old photo from Popular Mechanics.

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    In addition to the regular Trek-ian props--like the hypo, white sound device, scalpels, etc., there are a variety of regular 20th century surgical instruments. (Forgive the red arrows.)

    1. White sound device (Shure microphone)
    2. Trigger Sprayer
    3. Large wound healer/protoplaser
    4. Small pill bottle with red pills
    5. Red lid to small pill bottle with some red pills in the lid
    6. Red lid to large pill bottle with some red pills in the lid
    7. Mark 1 First Season Hypo
    8. Grooved director with plain end
    9. Director but I'm not sure what kind; I'm still trying to find it
    10. 14.0 cm Bryant forceps non-locking
    11. 14.0 cm straight Kelly forceps, locking
    12. Turned aluminum "scalpels" (total of four)
    13. Stelton salt and pepper shaker "scalpels"
    14. Small wound healer "protoplaser"
    15. Long thumb forceps

    (Large pill bottle with red pills is in De's hand.)

    You might consider replacing some of the "Space Seed" items with some of these other items that McCoy had. (Well, at least he had them in this publicity picture.

    So it looks great with what you are doing, and you might consider replacing some of them with some Bryant, Kelly, and thumb forceps, and with some different directors if they seem to be a better fit.

    Lots of surgical supply item catalogs are available online. Some grooved directors are here:

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    Lastly (and I know they are a bear to make), McCoy always had a Burke 116 (with arms) behind his desk, instead of a regular Burke 115.
     
  18. Donny

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    Thanks to this picture, and your other post a few pages back listing the item names on the "Space Seed" surgical tool board, I'm able to google the real-world parts to get better reference shots for building these props. I'm modelling the Simpson-Braun Obstetrical Forceps as we speak.
     
  19. GSchnitzer

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    You don't seem to need any help in modeling that funny bench in that back alcove, but this is just a reminder that it first appeared in Kirk's (planetside) quarters in "Court Martial." I don't know if screen grabs from that episode provide any kind of information of value.
     
  20. Donny

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    Ah, I never notice that before! Luckily, modelling that bench was a breeze, and the images from Court Martial seem to support the modelling I've already done. Thanks

    Oh, regarding the Burke 116...there was one episode where the chair was noticeably not a 116, but that was in "Mirror, Mirror", so I guess it doesn't count!

    I'll get around to modelling the 116 sooner or later...
     

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