Does James Cameron Owe Poul Anderson Money?

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Comedian, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. Nardpuncher

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    You may be right about those 7 "core" stories, but I didn't know there was an eighth one called Man in Wheelchair Uses Articial Lifeform to Get Around.
     
  2. Kegg

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    Wasn't Titanic inspired by A Night to Remember? I've certainly seen that claim.
     
  3. Forbin

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  4. Kegg

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    In addition to having something to do with a real disaster, yeah. :vulcan:

    Just like Avatar is about colonialism, and also Dances With Wolves and Poul Anderson.
     
  5. FluffyUnbound

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    Well, there's the Anderson story, and there's also Leguin's The Word for World is Forest.

    And, of course, Delgo.

    Maybe if Avatar actually turns a profit they can look into satisfying all the aggrieved parties.
     
  6. Admiral Buzzkill

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    That's not how it works. Or do you know that?

    They settled for a lot of money because they stood to lose much, much more. Entertainment companies are particularly eager to settle over these things when they know they're caught, because they don't want the courts setting precedents regarding their plagiarism (see Buchwald v. Paramount).

    Cameron's people settled because they were caught red-handed, and for no other reason.

    The lengths that people will go to in order to deny the reality of these things are remarkable.

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    Ellison won.
     
  7. JoeD80

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    I was pointed to some information on the Ellison suit: it was the Starlog Interview in Issue #89 where Cameron allegedly said that he based it on Harlan's episode in the Outer Limits, and the production company had that stricken from the published version, but Ellison learned of it. The only Outer Limits episode mentioned in Ellison's suit was "Soldier" as far as I can tell.
     
  8. Greg Cox

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    Er, they were both inspired bythe same historical event: the sinking of the Titanic. That's not plagiarism, just history.

    A NIGHT TO REMEMBER (a great film, btw) didn't exactly invent the business about the ship hitting the iceberg . . . which is about all the films have in common.
     
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  9. Lt. Trull

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    The movie reminded me of Alan Dean Fosters MidWorld...
     
  10. Kelso

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    Ellison gave an account of the events in this interview.
     
  11. Robert Maxwell

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    Great video, thanks! I hope Cameron has since learned to keep his fool mouth shut. :lol:
     
  12. Borggirl

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    I just finished reading Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson without prior knowledge of James Cameron borrowing from it. The first page struck me as oddly familiar. After that the similarities to Avatar are unnerving. Yes, James ripped avatar from Poul Anderson and at the very least should give the man credit. This story was written in the 50's, the man was born in 1926, he was ahead of his time. Anyone who thinks that old Sci-Fi writers do not deserve credit are horribly uneducated people, and it just illuminates the current trend of decay in our society. I watched Avatar once and that was enough for me, I cringe when I hear the term Sci-Fi attached to that piece of hyped fantasy. Real Sci-Fi fans know the difference. James took liberties with a decent Sci-Fi story and added tree spirits, love, evil vs good and destroyed any semblance to Mr. Anderson's original. But adding those painful to watch Fantasy elements doesn't absolve Cameron of plagerisim. This should be made public, the man is a fraud, and allowing word trolls like him to use the term 'original' is akin to an evil parent rubbing lemon juice on a childs open wound, it's abuse of power. Now I know why I disliked Avatar and wanted 3 hours of my life
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  13. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Gee, then Anderson ripped it off from a dozen other places. :rolleyes:

    Right - you disliked the movie at the time you saw it based on alleged plagiarism you knew nothing about at the time you saw it.

    That statement doesn't even meet a minimal test of logic for anything other than a meaningless attempt to provoke an argument.
     
  14. Scroogourner

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  15. Reverend

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    ^Correction, they had two things in common. The whole iceberg bit AND David Warner. ;)
     
  16. Sharr Khan

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    Tree spirits? Far be it for me to defend Avatar... but, the clear implication of the movie is that Pandora is a biological machine and a self-aware planet that all the life on is connected to. Its basically one huge Cylon resurrection/Wi-Fi network, powered by the fabulously, generically termed unobtainium.

    As has been stated, this story/plot line hasn't ever been particularly "original", at least since the rise of Western Civilization.

    And ugg "true scifi"? Do we really need to nitpick that again? (I know the answer, of course we do...) all storytelling is fantasy, no matter the superficial trappings ascribed to it and everything is a remix.
     
  17. Navigator_NCC2120

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    Thanks Kelso. You saved me the trouble of doing a Google Video Search. I hadn't seen this video for over a year, but I did remember it.

    After watching it, I decided to look at another Harlan Ellison video interview on the list on the right side of the webpage. Here it is. Harlan is funny and he speaks the truth. He reminds me of the stand-up comedian Lewis Black in this short interview.


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  18. Owain Taggart

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    I think there are a few authors who've written things that resemble Avatar. Ben Bova for instance has an article on his website about a book he wrote that resembles Avatar. It just means that it's not entirely original a concept, that others have thought of it too.
     
  19. Starbreaker

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    That's out there.
     
  20. MANT!

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    And now many writers have sued George Lucas?

    Lucas ripped from just about every science fiction pulp story ever made to create his vision... But he never mentioned any specifics..

    It simply needs to be stated blatantly for the lawyers to jump on the bandwagon...