Does It Get Better???

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by AdmiralScreed, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Guy Gardener

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    Pathetic, prophetic.

    Potato, potato.
     
  2. teacake

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    It actually tasted pretty good, I was thinking that maybe a bitter dressing would go well on raw broccoli.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    I like a nice white sauce with mine.
     
  4. You_Will_Fail

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    I like mine to stay in engineering where he belongs.
     
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    :guffaw:

    Unfortunately he fits my preferred pattern of male looks so I may have to refer to a previous post and take this thread into possibly actionable territory.

    Or.. better not.
     
  6. AdmiralScreed

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    Feel free. I'm in the middle of a movie marathon, so it could be a day or two until I watch any more Voyager.

    You have the keys to my thread until I return. Make sure not to do anything too crazy. :rommie:
     
  7. teacake

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  8. exodus

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    Apparently,, bombs are only bad when they blow up occupied buildings. Property damage and the life of one cop never counts.
     
  9. exodus

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    Attacking your own people without government consent for political purposes labels you a traitor, dishonorable discharge and time in military prison. Doesn't matter if he made the planet safe of Cardassians, attacking citizens under the protection of your own government still makes you a terrorist. The families we saw huddled in caves in "For The Uniform" were not terrorists. They were innocent people uprooted from their homes due to the Maquis/Cardassian conflict. Those were the types of people Sisko poisoned, all for personal revenge on one man. Thank goodness DS9 is fiction because it would have to be to avoid that factual conclusion.
     
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  10. DonIago

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    Except the Maquis -were not- the Federation's own people. They not only made a point of renouncing their citizenship, but then Eddington specifically began attacking Starfleet vessels and critically disabling two.

    I believe Sisko himself says that the Maquis had escalated matters to the point where they were now considered a threat to the security of the Federation.

    Do we have any reason to believe the people huddled in caves were -not- Maquis terrorists, especially given that Sisko was in the middle of being lured into a trap at the time?

    What would you have had Starfleet do in order to capture Eddington before he could poison additional planets? Use harsh language?

    Hell, I'd say Eddington was the Maquis' own worst enemy, because if they'd kept their tactics low-key then Starfleet might have let things slide for awhile, but the actions he engaged in escalated to the point that they could no longer afford to ignore him.
     
  11. Guy Gardener

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    Starfleet didn't believe them, or refused to accept such claims.

    try it some time.

    "I'm sorry orficer, but I'hmm allowed to drunk, drink drive because I renocced my citizenship... CC this to the IRS for me, I'm sure they'll be fine with that."

    (If an illegal alien is caught drink driving, are they jailed or deported? or jailed then deported?)

    Starfleet could only hunt them in federation space (maybe open space? but they should only be allowed to manhandle their own citizens in open space and even then they're have to be on a federation owned vessel that constituted federation soil, which is all of them if you believe that they are communists sharing a collective wealth. Trying to enforce their laws in unclaimed space on non federation citizens, it's warlordy pirate conduct.).

    Only the Federation/Cardassian treaty kept the demilitarized zone safe from Cardassian interference (or Starfleet.) but the Cardassians were getting very tired of this and were threatening to execute them all, if the Federaiton didn't handle this issue on their own side of the border so that it didn't keep spilling over into the Union.
     
  12. exodus

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    Admiral Necheiyv calls them "citizens of the Federation" in "The Maquis" The fact that they still are citizens of the Federation is the whole point behind why Starfleet was given order in tracking them down and not Cardassia as clearly explained in "The Maquis" & again in "For the Uniform".

    McVeigh became a threat to national security by blowing up a government building. He was still a citizen of the US. McVeigh bombed the Murrah building in protest of the governments handling of Waco. Eddington bombs starships and poisons planets in protest of the Fedrations handling of the citizens in the DMZ. They're meant to mirror each other.

    Sisko implies it at the star of the ep. by stating the Maquis promised "these people" one day of returning home. He refers to the Maquis as seperate from those people living in the cave. Plus the folks we saw were mother with children & elderly. the Maquis nor Trek goes as far as having children as suicide bombers. Had they been terrorist, Sisko would have had them all arrested as threats to the Federation as per the agreement with Starfleet and Cardassia.

    What any real life military operation would have done, end diplomatic solutions and blown him out of the fucking sky.
     
  13. DonIago

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    Actually I thought poisoning the Maquis planet was an elegant way of solving all of the problems the episode posed. The Cardassians and non-terrorists get to swap planets, Eddington is neutralized....how would simply killing Eddington have been a more effective solution?

    Unless you can establish that TPTB specifically meant for Eddington to mirror McVeigh, (I haven't checked Memory Alpha) your claim is somewhat dubious.
     
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    Changing the makeup of an atmosphere so it doesn't support certain kinds of life is abhorrent. Especially since he didn't consider how the chemical or whatever might affect indigenous flora/fauna/eco-systems.
     
  15. DonIago

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    ^Any evidence proving that he didn't consider that?
     
  16. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    He pulled this out of his ass at the last second.

    Or did he fake that eyebrow twitching to prove to that he was thinking?
     
  17. AdmiralScreed

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    Barge Of The Dead: A great study of religion, the afterlife, and Klingon culture, and also my favorite B'Ellana episode yet! I really hope that the events of this episode are referenced again, but I won't hold my breath.
    Just like the previous episode, Barge of The Dead felt very fresh and unique. Bravo!
    8/10
     
  18. AdmiralScreed

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    Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: A very, very funny episode. The plot with the hierarchy was fairly weak, but it doesn't detract too much from all of the humor in this episode. A great comedy and a great Doctor episode!
    7/10

    Season 6 is off to an excellent start. Here are my ratings for the first four episodes:


    Equinox Part Two 9
    Survival Instinct 9
    Barge of the Dead 8
    Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy 7

    Average score: 8.25

    Let's hope this trend continues! :)
     
  19. Harvey

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    I find that season six has a lot of mediocre episodes, with an occasional moment of brilliance; the same goes for season seven. There are a few gems awaiting you ("Pathfinder" and "Life Line"), but I don't think there's a stretch of episodes in the penultimate season as strong as the four that open it.
     
  20. AdmiralScreed

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    That's disappointing to hear. But who knows, I might end up really liking this season. It wouldn't be the first time that I had a divergent opinion.