Does It Get Better???

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  1. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    And you didn't enjoy this?

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  2. Guy Gardener

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    The battle is lost, but the war rages on.
     
  3. AdmiralScreed

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    I'd agree with that. Season 4 was a huge step-up in quality over seasons 1 through seasons 3, largely in part due to Jeri Ryan as Seven.

    And on the topic of season 4, here are my brief thoughts on the season finale.

    Hope and Fear: A great premise, interesting science, a sympathetic villain hell bent on revenge, lots of action, and some good Janeway/Seven scenes make for a great season finale to my favorite season of the show so far!
    8/10

    P.S. Is it just me or did the end of this episode feel like the ending of INS? The first officer beams the captain aboard at the last minute and leaves the villain to a horrible fate, even though the first officer knows absolutely nothing about the situation on board the villain's ship. For all Chakotay knows, Janeway and Aturis could have come to terms and settled their dispute. Just a minor nitpick.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    She did a good job, but I'm really not into her.

    I don't find her attractive at all.
     
  5. CaptainMatt

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    Fair enough, I say. I am just infatuated with the Borg as a whole so naturally I like 7 and what they did with her or tried to do with her.
     
  6. MacLeod

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    I think saying it was the greatest shift in any TV series is a bit over the top.

    I could say that the greatest shift in a TV series ever was Patrick Troughton replacing William Hartnell as the Doctor, I'm sure given some thought I could come up with others.
     
  7. CaptainMatt

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    Maybe so but for american TV, 7 was an institution all to herself.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    Star trek is a tiny niche in the tiny niche that is science fiction that is a tiny niche in everything that is not sports.

    For that era, I'd have put Dana Scully in the lead, and Seven of Nine somewhere far off in the distance inaudibly.

    Here's an interesting list.

    http://totalscifionline.com/features/3566-the-25-women-who-shook-sci-fi

    Janeway came in #16.

    Seven of Nine didn't place.
     
  9. exodus

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    Shut up, it means we all have a shot. :lol:
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    We all have a shot at Kim?

    Pass me the rifle.
     
  11. teacake

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    Thank god Ivanova is in that list.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    As far as female Captains go, what did you think of Captain Belinda Blowhard?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starhyke

    Oh, I thought that Ivanova was god?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xO9Vr_nBE8

    But then, wasn't she also gods hand of death?

    Close enough.
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I NEED TO SEE THAT.

    :: makes a little note ::
     
  14. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Well you could come over to mine to see it, but the public transport is diabolical this side of the international dateline.
     
  15. teacake

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    Transporter.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    Jason Stratham is going to stick you in the boot of his car?
     
  17. tighr

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    As long as he does it in an Audi. Much cooler than the BMW they used in the first one.
     
  18. AdmiralScreed

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    Sorry, but I've got first dibs on Kim. You can have what's left after I'm through with him.

    Moving on...

    Night: A good message, a good villain, but a lot of really annoying scenes with Janeway sulking. How could the captain of the ship act that way? If I had been on the bridge when she asked Tom to take the helm, I would have gladly volunteered to do it if it would have meant never having to see her again. Put Chakotay or Tuvok in command.
    Despite my criticisms, this was a decent episode.
    5/10
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    I watched this and Image in the sand back to back on VHS with a friend in the 90s first view and we marveled.

    He said "The Voyager was better than DS9."

    "Yeah I know, I don't get it either." I concurred.

    But Night flavours a lot of my negative opinion on this Starship Captain.
     
  20. tighr

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    Night is one of my prime examples for Janeway acting out of character. Her actions in this episode are nearly reprehensible. I would vote this episode down solely based on this.

    Other than that, this was a brilliant concept. I wonder if it is scientifically possible to be in a region of space that is so vast that light doesn't penetrate it? I doubt it, but it made for a cool episode.
     

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