Does anyone else dislike Keiko O'brien?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by Gul Bones, May 23, 2012.

  1. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    To be fair, I can totally see it being the case that when Miles raised the issue of transferring to DS9 he put a rather rosy spin on the situation (heck, perhaps he wasn't given an honest depiction of the situation himself, or just didn't believe it would be as bad as it was). And let's not pretend he isn't the type who'd love the idea of the challenge of putting the station back together. As he says in "Emissary", when Keiko first saw their quarters she talked about moving back to Earth. It's not as though she ever claimed to be happy about moving to the station.

    If you want to look at it as who sacrificed more, I think Keiko wins.

    I also think that if she had been happy all the time and there hadn't been any tension in their relationship then we'd see exactly the same sort of thread we have right here, except the complaints would be more along the lines of, "That was so unrealistic! Keiko threw away everything when she moved to DS9 but then was the perfect submissive little wife when she got there! How stereotypical!"
     
  2. Ezri D

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    Is there really away way to make her a stronger character, and still be a wife to the only major non-officer, and being only a civilian? If Keiko and the chief were officers, she could be more important. Still, she was a better character then Captain Picard's barber and looked blue.
     
  3. MatthiasRussell

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    All those excursions exploring the GQ and they never wanted a botonist? All the work Bashir did creating new vaccines and he could never have used a botonist?

    There was plenty of interesting work for Keiko to do if her or the writers wanted to find it. I've known couples with careers that didn't work well with a relationship who managed to respect their marriage and each other far more than Keiko did.
     
  4. MatthiasRussell

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    Really!?! If ANYONE could have been gay, it was Garak who has actually been said was a gay character. How does your gaydar pick up O'Brien more than anyone else?
     
  5. Turd Ferguson

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    I always got a bromance vibe off of Bashir and O'Brien. If anybody had to come out, it should have been those two. They got along great together (and even bickered like an old married couple) :)
     
  6. gazomg

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    maybe rosalind chao is a great actress,

    I have seen her play parts in other shows where she was a bitch, like law and order CI.It seemed to come natural to her :lol:
     
  7. Turd Ferguson

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    All I know is I was enjoying Six Feet Under til I saw the dreaded "Guest Starring Rosalind Chao," and, lo and behold, she played a total bitch. Shocker, I know :eek:
     
  8. Leviathan

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    ...maybe Klinger turned her evil?
     
  9. Rush Limborg

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    Read the second post in this thread, DonIago. My post.
     
  10. DonIago

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    ^I'm sure Miles did something to deserve it. Or if he hadn't, that he soon would. :p
     
  11. Sindatur

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    Eh...Keiko became a bitch because she was jealous of Miles' boyfriend Julian. She wasn't nearly as disagreeable in the early episodes where she appeared more frequently and was living on the station. It was after she left the station and Miles hooked up with Julian that she was so harsh when she returned for visits
     
  12. Pavonis

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    They were newly married at that point, though. In fact, they had been married just the previous episode. They'd naturally be settling in and getting used to being married, which includes getting to know what your spouse likes and doesn't like.
     
  13. MatthiasRussell

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    ^ I think I was MORE tolerant when I first got married
     
  14. MatthiasRussell

    MatthiasRussell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Another good reason for her not to leave so much. And think of Julian, with Keiko gone, HE kept getting cock blocked by miles.
     
  15. Pavonis

    Pavonis Commodore Commodore

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    Of course you were. You probably thought marriage meant frequent sex! Miles and Keiko knew better.
     
  16. Kira Nerys

    Kira Nerys Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I couldn't stand the character of Keiko the less I saw of her the better.If anything Miles,should have stayed single.
     
  17. gazomg

    gazomg Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I reckon O Brien could have had some fun with that cardassian scientist Gilora Rejal.
     
  18. Nerys Ghemor

    Nerys Ghemor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    At least Rejal's bickering (Gilora, not the poster Gul Re'jal) wasn't intended to destroy, and Rejal was willing to admit when she was wrong. I never saw Keiko do the latter part.
     
  19. Ln X

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    I liked Keiko O'Brien's character. Some of you are commenting and saying that she always whines and moans at O'Brien but it's not really that, it happens when problems arise. Keiko is probably the most realistic wife Star Trek has ever portrayed. Seriously my parents are happily married for about 22 years, but every day there is always some little problem where a few heated words or complaints are exchanged.

    That's marriage (and life; two people cooped up together are bound to inevitably argue), but as O'Brien says you then kiss and make up because you love your spouse. I also thought Keiko was the dominant one in the relationship (well in family matters anyway), and in nearly every marriage you always get one partner who tends to be (to a lesser or greater extent) a bit more prominent, vocal and dominant than the other.

    Besides just because we haven't actually seen Keiko admit she is wrong about something (though she must have done so once in an episode) doesn't mean she's stubborn and all. I'm pretty certain that Keiko and O'Brien's marriage would not have lasted for so long if Keiko could never admit she is wrong.
     
  20. Rush Limborg

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    ^Unless Miles, bless his heart, was a bit of a pushover....