Do you think Starfleet felt Kirk had failed any of the missions?

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  1. MacLeod

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    Preventing a likely galactic war (had the UFP President been assinated) I suspect command would be delighted with him. We also have no idea how old the 1701-A was. Command might have recieved preliminary damaged reports and decided the ship wasn't worth the effort of repairing.
     
  2. Nine of Four

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    True, another refit of the Enterprise could be tedious....

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  3. BillJ

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    The 1701-B would've already been on the drawing board since it launches a year after the events of The Undiscovered Country. Likely the 1701-A would've been put out to pasture when Kirk had retired anyway. The battle damage just accelerated the retirement of the ship.
     
  4. MacLeod

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    Or it might be a case of that due to the events of TUC, Starfleet decided to name the next Excelsior Class vessel Enterprise.
     
  5. Robert Comsol

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    Yes, you are probably right. Did the ship have a science officer as far as we can tell or did he conveniently disappear?

    Really looks like the entire system had been quarantined, and definitely no one bothered to see if Khan and company were doing alright. Apparently, Ceti Alpha VI vanished inside a major black plot hole...:rolleyes:

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  6. Timo

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    Considering the Organians didn't like outsiders, it seems likely the Organians had absolutely nothing to do with the Organian Peace Treaty. The two sides neutered by the Organians just made lemonade out of that particular lemon, and decided to agree on some things for a change.

    Thus, when the treaty was broken, the Organians paid no attention. But the Feds would watch for Klingons breaking the treaty, and vice versa, in addition to doing their best to cover up their own violations. Until one side or both felt they no longer needed to cower behind a piece of paper, that is.

    I don't see why that should be. Planets move, and Newtonian mechanics is a surprisingly inaccurate discipline when it comes to seven-or-more-body problems such as the Ceti A system. What Starfleet would know is that the desert world in that system is Ceti A VI...

    But at the end of the movie, Kirk said the ship would continue serving. This either suggests he was in deep denial, or establishes that the "decommissioning" mentioned was of the top officers, not of the ship, and the decision to scrap the E-A came only later (or Kirk wasn't informed of it until later).

    None of the officers we saw wore the collar directly indicative of a Sciences job. We saw white on Capt Terrell, yellow on Cmdr Beach, green on a low-ranking female officer, and grey on Commanders Chekov and Kyle. Very high ranks there, compared with TOS... But Beach sat at the supposed Sciences station: perhaps he doubled as the ship's CSO, in addition to his "day job" (which may have been at Helm, since few other stations at the time accommodated yellowcollars).

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  7. Robert Comsol

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    Excuse me, they don't have the means in the 23rd Century to properly chart a star system and realize there's something wrong with one of the planets which is going to explode in six months?!? Really looks like somebody in stellar cartography aboard Kirk's Enterprise screwed up big time in "Space Seed".

    Rather odd for a ship assigned to a scientific mission, wouldn't you say? This really starts to look more and more like an Alien scenario. Except that someone in Starfleet didn't want the Ceti Eels as a biological weapon, but possibly see Khan return to Earth. ;)

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  8. Timo

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    Why should "proper charting" reveal that a planet is about to explode? And who would have been doing the "charting" - Kirk, in his spare time? He didn't have any! He had already lost enough time fighting a superman that he now needed to regain and hide from Starfleet so that they wouldn't realize he had been fighting a superman...

    What was scientific about the mission, though? All they were asked to do was check if some hellhole matched the exacting parameters set by the mad scientist: that doesn't call for science skills as such, merely supervision of sensor equipment. And Uhura can operate communications equipment just fine without knowing the first thing about languages! ;)

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  9. MacLeod

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    Whilst it is true the orbit of planets around a star do change, that can take thousands of years at least in the Sol System. But I guess that might not be the case for other star systems. But CA V and CA VI must have had a close orbit so that the explosion of one would cause a shift in orbit of the other. Of course Kahn might have thought it was a shift in orbit, but it could simply be that the explosion changed the axis of the planet and the resulting debris that fell on the planet kicked up a lot of dust into the atmosphere. And who knows perhaps the planet had high winds in the upper atmosphere that kept the dust cloud settling within a few years.


    But even in our solar system with eight planets, numerous dwarf planets, an asteriod belt so we are talking about thousands of objects. We still managed to launch the Voyager II probe and it mananged to pass by not 1 not 2 not 3 but 4 planets because scientist where able to predict where each planet would be.
     
  10. Nine of Four

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    Tru dat!!

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  11. jpv2000

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    Indeed. I remember this bothered me when I first saw the movie, but the rest of it was so good that I just overlooked it.