Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by The Overlord, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. DalekJim

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    I'd pick Insurrection but I'd feel dirty about it. It's the only one that really resembles Star Trek.
     
  2. Awesome Possum

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    DS9 ran in syndication where it could last that long and VOY ran on a network so crappy it made Homeboys in Outer Space. Both in a time when cable tv wasn't really a problem yet and in VOY's case the company that owned it also owned the channel.

    Also despite running twice as long, neither had the impact the original did and both are largely unknown to non-Trek fans.
     
  3. Dale Sams

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    Re: Bond and Trek, I think the reason they succeeded is much more so for being well done, than being a reboot.
     
  4. BillJ

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    Hell, the only reason we got a fourth season of Enterprise was because Paramount wanted to have enough episodes to sell into syndication.

    And every series after TNG suffered from sliding ratings.
     
  5. DalekJim

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    I think it's pretty harsh to judge their impact against the original Star Trek series which is the most widely known sci-fi show of all-time across the world. If DS9 had more impact than that it'd be an act of the Prophets.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Problem is that it had no long term impact. It quickly was shuffled off TV here in the States even after The National Network paid a billion dollars for the right to air all of Modern Trek. Only Next Gen is still on TV here of the four modern series.
     
  7. Nerys Myk

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    That does little to help your argument and a lot to help the opposing view. :lol:
     
  8. Greg Cox

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    I'd go with the new movie of the last five, but would be torn between Khan and TVH if I had all the movies to choose from.

    Honestly, there's no need to bash TNG and DS9 and the rest. They all had good long runs, and have now entered TV history along with lots of great old shows that had their day in the sun. But nothing lasts forever and reboots are not the devil. The old cycle is over now, so bring the next cycle. That's just how it works.

    As I've joked before, I'm old enough to have lived through at least five different live-action versions of SUPERMAN with a sixth on the way. A new take on STAR TREK was inevitable one of these days.
     
  9. Awesome Possum

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    That's because DS9 never came close to having the same audience. That's the problem with Trek as it went on, less and less people watched it. It was a success in the same way the Titanic was. People enjoyed the ride at first, then it become less enjoyable and wound up at the bottom of ocean.
     
  10. Jackson_Roykirk

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    It certainly resembles a two-hour TNG TV episode.
     
  11. BillJ

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    A very bad two-hour episode. :eek:
     
  12. DalekJim

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    I'd currently rank them from best to cack:

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture - YEAH BABY, my kinda cinema!

    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - Great, memorable action flick.

    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - Pretty good.

    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - See above, bit too light and broad though.

    Star Trek III: Search For Spock - It's... there..

    Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - Bad but fun.

    Star Trek: Insurrection - Bad Star Trek but at least it is Star Trek

    Star Trek: First Contact - Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb....

    Star Trek: Nemesis - Dumb, dumb, dumb, yawn.


    I dunno which I'd enjoy watching least these days out of Generations and Abrams Trek. One day I'll do a marathon and find out..
     
  13. BillJ

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    Best to worst...

    The Motion Picture
    The Undiscovered Country
    The Search for Spock
    The Wrath of Khan
    Star Trek 2009
    The Voyage Home
    Nemesis
    The Final Frontier
    Generations
    First Contact
    Insurrection
     
  14. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Meh. It was fine.
    It didn't knock my socks off as a movie should, but it was still a story worth watching.

    If it WAS a TNG episode, I would personally rank it "slightly above mediocre" compared to the rest of the body of work that was the TNG TV series (i.e., I would rank it in the top 50% of TNG TV episodes). However, being a feature film, "slightly above mediocre" is not good enough.
     
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  15. BillJ

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    I'd rather watch a Code of Honor/Angel One double-feature than be subjected to Insurrection again. :techman:
     
  16. Kevin W.

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    I'll leave Nemesis off the list because it's the one of the eleven that I haven't seen, but here's my list, from best to worst.

    The Wrath of Khan
    First Contact
    The Undiscovered Country
    The Voyage Home
    The Search for Spock
    Generations
    Insurrection
    The Motion Picture
    Star Trek
    The Final Frontier
     
  17. Greg Cox

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    I'd go with:

    Khan
    The Voyage Home
    Undiscovered Country
    Star Trek (2009)
    First Contact
    The Search for Spock
    TMP
    Generations
    Nemesis
    Insurrection
    Final Frontier

    To be fair, I'd pretty much have to flip a coin between Insurrection and Nemesis, since I'm not sure I've seen either of them more than once.
     
  18. DalekJim

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    I can relate man, I saw Nemesis 2 weeks ago and even I barely remember it.

    Wish my mind could do the same with Generations :(.
     
  19. Dale Sams

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    There's a Nemesis 2?? Good God.

    I'm Trek's biggest fan (yes we all say that), and I still haven't seen Insurrection or Nemesis but for a few scenes.

    And as usual, I have to point out that Nemesis has a lovely score.
     
  20. Kevin W.

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    I first saw The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier and Generations a couple of weeks ago thanks to Syfy's Trek movie marathon. I (believe it or not) regret not recording Nemesis. I could have gotten it out of the way.