Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Ro_Laren, Nov 25, 2012.
^That's horrible, teya. All insurance companies have an appeals process -- has she tried that yet?
^ Yep. She started fighting at 38 & is still fighting.
^ OMG, that's awful!
Note: using the general "you"
Don't you love it when you intend to say one thing, it comes out wrong, and then someone straightens it all out? At those times, I always think, "Now why couldn't I have put it like that and avoided the confusion?" **sigh**
teya, that just sucks. For the money blown on these ambulance abusers I cited, your SIL could have her surgery and there'd be lots left over!!
Some of them will.
I've never seen anyone turned away. I've seen some people with huge bills that cause them credit problems later... but never denied
Never... Obama will create new hearts
And the DMV and post office have developed them also. And there are times when you have to wait an hour or more for the DMV in California. If someone needs a surgery and the wait is 4 years? What happens then?
Very fortunate, indeed. I could wish for that kind of fortune.
It happens to me all the time. I get ragged on for making walls of text, but it seems like if I try to get a point across in fewer then nine paragraphs people think I'm arguing the opposite.
In fairness, I wasn't being particularly clear. I entered this thread only half-assedly, because it's tiring arguing for universal healthcare. So I'll make my position completely unambiguous: every major argument against socialized health care in the United States is based either in lies and misinformation exploiting the ignorant, or in moral repugnancy. It is cheaper, more efficient, more effective, more pragmatic, more rational, and more humane than the US system and we're the only nation that has the means but are too stupid and selfish to haul our fat asses out of the dark ages and just fucking do it.
Why? You don't think there will be a market to cater for those who want premium health care service at a premium price?
The DMV isn't the equivalent of surgery (at least, not emergency surgery). The DMV is where people go for routine things and all have to enter the same line. Hospitals can separate the lines for checkups from the line for surgery.
A much smaller one. The price of these premium plans will soar and less people will be able to have them.
True, but in the end there are still limited resources. I understand the benefits of socializing medicine... but when you go to the poorest neighborhoods in our nation, there is near universal health care because of programs for the poor... and they have the worst care! King hospital in LA was a disaster. It was shut down. And now the government is going to pay less for procedures... It won't end well
He's not alone. I've done the same many times and I know many people who are able to do the same.
What do you want me to say? "Good for you"? Is that your argument against universal coverage? I'm not buying it.
You are lucky that it works for you, and it's certainly fortunate for those who can get by purely on cash, but that is not everyone, and we shouldn't leave them out in the cold just because you are already taken care of.
By that logic, I shouldn't want any changes at all, because I already have coverage, so why should I give a shit about anyone else?
The level of selfishness on display by opponents of universal coverage really is astonishing sometimes.
Who said I was taken care of? Ever since the ACA was passed my costs and many other people's costs have risen considerably. How is that helping? UHC will make things worse quality wise. If things are expensive now they will be outragously so with UHC.
It's not Universal Healthcare. Also, it's still going into effect. Your increasing costs aren't being caused by that.
I think their costs are going up because of all of the people taking advantage of "free" healthcare, and the healthcare providers jacking prices to make up for it.
How dare they insure young, healthy people against the future, where they may develop health problems that come with older age! Why, that's almost the entire purpose of health insurance!
Seriously, the article states that benefits will improve for young people, though at the same time, rates may rise for some. You know what that money will do? Help you. You know, because you'll be in the same system. It's just common sense.
A system I can barely afford and may soon not be able to afford. Again I ask how is that a good thing? Did you notice how the article does not address people in my situation?
Because the article is about healthy, young people. Are you either of these things?
And that's the point. ACA will screw over people like me and families with children like me.
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