Do I need to watch all of Trek before watching the 2 new films?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by LanCo96, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. fireproof78

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    Well, my hat's off to you for doing 3d models. I hope to see your work some day :)

    Actually, something you might be interested in, is that the Mr. Scott's Guide was updated as part the new films at the time, FF and UC (I think), so it shows the refit and all the various parts, and monster maroon uniforms. Quite fun.

    Yeah, fandom gets strange, to me. But, being on a Star Trek board (again, not this one) and hearing people slam Abrams again and again, was too much to take.

    I guess this is how Star Wars fans feel when people take on the prequels...I don't know.
     
  2. davidant32

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  3. xavier

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    Most people will face palm.:)
     
  4. martok2112

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    In your opinion. :)
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Agreed. One does not have to preclude the other any more than one should watch Moby Dick before watching TWOK.

    Both TWOK and Into Darkness had their moments, and strong characters that drove the story. ID certainly had it's problems, but the fact they reused a moment from TWOK does not take away from the original nor does it take away from the characters in ID. Enjoyment of the two are not mutually exclusive.
     
  6. martok2112

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    Indeed....I thoroughly enjoy both TWOK and Into Darkness. :)
     
  7. Gov Kodos

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    Not in the least, you don't even need to watch TOS to enjoy them. It can be fun to watch the movies after TOS so you can look for beats that reference back to TOS but nothing in the stories they tell requires knowing any of the previous shows in order to enjoy them. Arguably, it might be better to watch them without seeing the previous shows so the films can speak for themselves.
     
  8. RandyS

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    Yes. You need to watch everything else first.

    Twice.

    ;)
     
  9. dub

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    A moment? Wow. Where is the honesty police now?
     
  10. Ovation

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    Yes. A moment. (A "moment" is a vaguely defined, short span of time--EXACTLY appropriate for what we saw in STID compared to TWOK.)
     
  11. dub

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    Several scenes can be considered "a moment." Well, I learned something new today.

    Anyway, I agree that STID's "moment" doesn't have any impact on TWOK. But for me, TWOK did have an impact on my experience with STID. For me that wasn't a good moment, and it frankly felt longer than a moment for me. But I get it that the vast majority of people loved it. And a lot of people who saw TWOK years ago love STID all the more for what was done. That's great! I was just trying to say that most people seem to feel strongly one way or the other about that "moment." At least that's what I gathered, but I was wrong about "moment" so I could be wrong about that too! ;)

    I'm not whining, just opining. I will watch the next film and hope it's better (for me)! I say that with sincerity. And honestly because of how it made me feel at the time, I haven't rewatched STID since I saw it in the theater, but I plan to do that at some point. Perhaps my opinion will change whenever the moment comes that I decide to watch it again.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Perhaps moment was a poor choice in terms. Perhaps scene is a better descriptor. However, moment served my vague purpose, because there are some who say that ID ripped off TWOK completely and is actually just a poor attempt. In my opinion, that is incorrect but the fact that they used that scene from TWOK makes the comparison unavoidable.

    For me, ID is enjoyable because of Kirk. The characters make this film for me. I am in that scene with Kirk dying because it fits the character so well that I buy it.

    But, I understand that it is also pulling on the nostalgia factor a little bit too heavily and could have had a similar moment without the scripting from TWOK. I can agree to that. So, I hope that your next viewing is more enjoyable because the film definitely is worth the time :)
     
  13. ChristopherPike

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    If you see Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan or "Space Seed" before Into Darkness, you'll only end up being annoyed. I'd be very interested in hearing how Mr. Singh works the other way around...
     
  14. Ovation

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    :rolleyes:

    Hardly the only possibility, as I (and many others) were anything but annoyed (and I've seen both of those Khan stories dozens of times).
     
  15. CorporalCaptain

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    Yup.
     
  16. dub

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    Agreed. I don't think it was a total rip-off at all. And I really loved the first half of the film. I was beaming from ear to ear.

    I think for me, the scenes I'm referring to came off as cheezy to the max. That's why it didn't work for me at all. Quite the opposite. I face-palmed through most of the remainder of the movie. It was totally ruined, which doesn't happen for me very often. I've heard people accuse others on the board of making it up (face-palming), that they didn't actually do it. But I'm glad for boards like this, because at least I know there are people who felt the same way I did, and on the flip side there are also fans through-and-through who absolutely loved it. And they can all explain why. So it gives me hope that perhaps if I watch it again I might have a different experience the second time around. I had mixed feelings about 2009 when I watched it the first time, but I enjoyed it the second time.

    ^ See, this exchange perfectly illustrates what I was trying to say earlier in the thread.
     
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    God knows I've seen TWOK numerous times, and I was pleased with STID in just about every way. :)
     
  18. martok2112

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    Sherlock. Outstanding show!


    :)
     
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    Patently incorrect, as I was not annoyed by STItD at all, and I've seen Space Seed dozens of times over the last 45 years or so, and Wrath of Khan at least a half-dozen times.

    I enjoyed the hell out of both Abrams films.
     
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    You're obviously history's greatest monster. :p