Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Brent, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. Stewey

    Stewey Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2001
    Location:
    United Kingdom, Wales
    Cheers Timofnine, thanks for the welcome. :)

    To answer your question, I think that there are various attempts within that show to show it being part of the proper TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY universe, the most notable example being the final episode. Because of this mess, I can't see it being part of this new universe either.

    Without references to Enterprise, then I think I would be a lot more accepting of this new universe because I really want to like this universe.

    Thats isn't allways the case, Big Brother and (equally horrible clones) and friends are just two of many many exceptions. And DS9 being a very large example of the opposite.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2009
  2. T'Cal

    T'Cal Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2003
    Location:
    Chicago
    It was called Star Trek. It was on TV. I liked it. Therefore, it's canon. Only those who fail to recognize what is canon aren't canon. I'm afraid I can no longer acknowledge such non-canonic drivel. Yes, I made that word up. Now it's canon, too.
     
  3. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2001
    Location:
    Australia
    Other fanbases can accept differing iterations of their universe. Casino Royale isn't regarded as the first in a new series, but the 21st Bond film. Most casuals probably didn't know or care that it was a reboot. When Trek XI hits in May, its canon, folks. Like it or not.

    And yes, Threshold and These Are The Voyages are canon, too. Sadly :(
     
  4. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    Like I have said before. If it's live action and made by PARAMOUNT it's CANON!:D Even TATV & Threshold:(
     
  5. T'Cal

    T'Cal Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2003
    Location:
    Chicago
    I recently had an epipheny: STXI is not a prequel to TOS; it's a sequel to ENT. Perhaps the better question to ask is: Will TOS happen in ENT's future? Of course the answer is yes. We can close this thread now. Mods? are you there??
     
  6. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    The visitor's bullpen
    Guess this is as good a time as any to mention the concept of time being all wibbly/wobbly/timey/wimey. ;)

    Seriously, though, why are we still debating this? ENT is common to both timelines - TOS and Abrams. We've already seen it. I don't see the problem here.

    And as I said, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the interesting explanations that Trek novels can come up with. (Look at how they dealt with TATV!) They'll think of things we can't even imagine right now.
     
  7. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    ^We can only hope!
     
  8. Australis

    Australis Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    Thought for today: if ENT is canon and unchanged (it wasn't the best series but I have no problem with that), then Dr Soong was alive, and if Soong was alive, then there will be eventually smooth forehead Klingons and, later still, Data.

    Wonder where that will go in the reimagined TNG? :)
     
  9. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2004
    Location:
    Ulster
    Threshold is a headache for other reasons. The writers themselves admitted they messed up the episode entirely and stated that the events of the episode "did not happen". If they specifically declared the episode non-canon then where do we stand on that one?

    They still consider TATV canon though, but it has the benefit of being a 200 year old historical recreation that may be very incorrect to the actual events. Inconsistencies are still irritating but in this case can be waved away.

    What I'm wondering though is that if the Federation has been altered will the Temporal Cold War still happen? Enterprise may have happened in both universes past but the altered timeline in XI may be spared the TCW leaving the Enterprise era "cleaner" of changes in its universe.

    Then theres the issue of the Borg, due to what we learn in Destiny if the Enterprise era is altered the Borg may not exist in this new universe either. The event was said to be predestined so they probably do.
     
  10. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    ^Time travel makes my brain hurt:(
     
  11. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Granny says time travel is from the DEVIL. That...and party liquor!
     
  12. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Funny. AMERICAN IDOL gave me ass cancer.
     
  13. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    ^Only to those with a brain!;) That's why I never watch!
     
  14. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    I don't consort with members o' the Seacrest race.

    WOO-HOOOOOO!
     
  15. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    ^ MWA-HA-HA-HA (Early cuyler laugh)
     
  16. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Makes one wonder if an historic event/disaster like the Xindi probe attack in 2153 will get mentioned when Nero's ship attacks Earth in the new movie. I mean, this is the first major attack on the planet chronologically speaking since then unless you conjecture that the Earth-Romulan War reached our own solar system at one point or another and even Earth itself(for which there is no canonical evidence). The Xindi attack happens less than a century before Nero pops into the 23rd century with the Narada. An event like that that wiped seven million people off the globe would be something most people would think about.
     
  17. miraclefan

    miraclefan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Location:
    The F U state of TEXAS!
    ^I belive I said this to ''some'' extant earlyer on this forum.