Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JD, Aug 30, 2011.
Looks like it to me...
The key word being looks...but they can be deceiving. Not saying they aren't going to clobber each other but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of swerve.
Good. To Hell with that.
The truth is, for all that people fuss about reboots the only time that Supes has been interesting is in the early years of a reboot. When they change the status quo even a little bit, it requires the character to react in novel ways.
The problem is, they rarely add anything to Superman's actual character. Byrne did, thank god, by thinking through and making clear who Clark Kent was and how that motivated Superman. The next guy to try it settled for bullshit about him "seeing auras" and therefore being a vegetarian - basically, substituting tacking on idiosyncrasies for developing personality traits. So after everybody gets used to how the reboot has rearranged the furniture, it's back to...meh.
What would be nice would be for them to actually let him be a character with real human likes and dislikes, who faces frustrations and who has to make the occasional Hobson's choice. Someone who's surrounded by people who all have their own points-of-view, motivations and goals and therefore have impacts on his behavior that he can't just sweep aside by being awesome (you know, like working for a huge corporation that's pushing his values as a journalist to one side and finding himself losing his temper at this chick he digs who's more interested in climbing the corporate ladder than agreeing with him). Dealing with all of that, he might finally grow into being an individual himself.
You know, like all those characters over at that little upstart comic company that seems to be getting some attention - Marvels, or something?
Yeah, pretty much my take on it. It ought to be an in-universe joke at some point, though, that the name of the new TV network is a redundancy - Planet Global News (PGN). Guess they didn't want to just go with PNN?
I don't really think Superman has been cuddly and warm, that just sounds like a disgruntled fan's complaint about a perceived change in direction for the character. Also one has to understand that the Superman in "Action Comics" is young and naive and still learning and prone to making mistakes. In fact I think Morrison in one of his early interviews for "Action Comics" said that Clark kind of rushes in deals with the crisis and doesn't really think about the consequences afterwards yet. He's immature in that regards and not developed in his crime fighting ability.
AC1 Superman is very early in his career and not even aware of his Kryptonian heritage yet, nor gone through "training" with Jor-El. What we see Superman do there is akin to Peter Parker letting the robber -who'll eventually kill his uncle- go into the elevator unscathed to get back at the fight guy stiffing him on his take on the winnings.
He's yet to learn to "do things right."
I liked the way Superman was shown in his self-titled issue. Action Comics remains to be seen as the character grows and the first arc ends how he'll be portrayed. (I can only assume it'd be similar to the Superman version.)
I agree with the poster above the "Dark Knight" comic did little for me, I didn't like the overdone splash-page artwork in it. Particularly the huge Batman towering over the SWAT in from of Arkham and a very huge, overly beefy, Dent inside of Arkham.
I mean, what the hell, comic?
Again glenmorgan wasn't simply a small businessmen...he was corrupt and as we found out in "Superman" Morgan Edge was his successor. I think it was also implied in Action that Luthor was behind him. Or at least I wouldn't be shocked if that is what is revealed.
FWIW, what Clark does to GlenMorgan in Action #1 is a replay of what he did to a character named Greer in the original Action #1 - Greer was bribing a U.S. senator to get us involved in a European war(!) and Supes interrogated him by leaping high into the air and threatening to drop him or to touch a high-tension wire and electrocute him.
Yep. Morrison loves him some Golden Age Supes. A far more aggressive and welcomed approach to crime fighting.
An interesting article about the sales of the New 52...
He has always been a dick!
He terrorized a businessman in Action Comics (Vol. 1) #1. He also terrorized some businessman dude in the Byrne/Wolfman reboot constantly. Damn...what was his name? Lenny Luxor? This is nothing new.
Just like when they first met in Man of Steel #3?
Well, I bet the fire monster was pissed that Superman fought and beat him...
Brian Buccellato (colorist on The Flash) for the win.
They can simply make Kent the Planet's official Harry Potter Look-alike and forbid him to wear a suit:
Another(?) Morrison interview.
He states that pretty clearly and matter-of-factly without copping an attitude one direction or the other.
And then he said "oh yeah, and fuck Mark Millar".
I'm reading this and I really want to quote the whole interview because he says so many observant and kind of out-of-school things. I must confess that having only picked up a few titles and done so really occasionally over the last ten years I don't know all the history and personalities of these writers, certainly don't know the majority of their work but everything I've seen of Morrison's I like. And I really like him as a personality and the way he thinks and the things he thinks about.
Concerning the direct market:
::waiting until silver age fanboys comes in here to dispute Morrison's claims even though said fanboys never worked in the industry::
Seriously though, I get what Morrison is saying and it makes sense (in regards to the lateness). Can still be frustrating though (the long waits). I wonder of DC went to publishing the issues every month and a half could improve things?
Well, Morrison's also suggesting that it's probably good for the industry to shift back toward the commercial from the artistic for a while - using two or more artists on a comic, sometimes in a single issue, may frustrate some fans but on the other hand making an effort to push comics back toward being a mass market phenomenon by keeping them on schedule and pushing harder into the digital medium is probably good on balance.
I think some people who are really invested emotionally are afraid that if comics - or anything else - go off in a new direction they'll be nothing but what they're becoming right now forever, and really nothing is like that. The only thing that never changes is something that's dead, and dead is what everyone wants to avoid.
I applaud DC and the decision to have the books put out on time. There is no reason that they should not be out on time. Oh the artists are working harder today is such nonsense Morrison who are trying to lie to? The books have less pages and the pages are smaller. The production is much faster as pages can be submitted electronically through out the process. Siting the cost as another reason is also daft. The cost has nothing to do with how long it takes to produce a comic book, the two points are not even remotely connected.
One of the biggest problems was that you lateness become an acceptable practice in the first place. It became no big deal if you didnt finish your work on time, the book would just be pushed back a month...or two... or three...say where is Pitt #10 anyway?
I can think of no other industry where not getting your work done on time becomes acceptable. You know going in you have a month to get your work done. If you cant cut it, theres the door and there are dozens of guys and gals waiting on the other side for a chance.
No one. Comparing the art in these comics to that of the comics I grew up with - sorry, Jack Kirby - or even a quarter century ago I'm just astonished at a lot of it. Reading a current comic like Supergirl #1 or Justice League #1 which somewhat younger or more sophisticated readers here have evaluated as short on story or artistically unimpressive is a qualitatively different experience for me than reading one in the 1970s - the newer are generally better all around. The detail and dimensionality of the imagery in a comic like Superman #1 - and I pick that example because I thought the art was the most crowded and old-fashioned of any I've read in the re-launch - is really amazing compared to old comics.
But then you have someone like Mark Bagley who is perfectly capable of producing great art on a monthly schedule. I don't think the guy is some kind of freak who can do things no one else can do; I think he's just one of the few, honest professionals left in comics. Most of the rest are varying degrees of Joe Madureira (who openly admitted he was too busy goofing off and playing video games to draw Battle Chasers).
Guys, I was being facetious about my Superman thing earlier
Holdasec!!! DC wants their comic books to come out monthly now?!!?! Those monsters!!! This flies in the face of everything we know and love about comic books!!!
You're right, and this may create more opportunities for more artists who aren't currently doing this work as well.
I know nothing about how this stuff is priced, but I'd guess that in some instances DC is going to have to renegotiate what they pay some people in order to get what they want. That's another part of a changed business model: you make new demands, you learn that some people can deliver more reliably and with better quality under the new circumstances, you offer those people more because you need that reliability whereas before you didn't so much.
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