DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JD, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. C.E. Evans

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    Which doesn't mean too much if the Finches want to revisit something from the Azzarello/Chiang run at a later date. Comics routinely bring back stuff from earlier issues, even if only briefly.
     
  2. Mr Light

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    Holy crap. In the double page spread of the new Wonder Woman showing the Justice League looking at a screen together... WW literally looks like a 12 year old in the face.
     
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    One of the things I truly appreciate about Alex Ross' art is how he draws women who look like they can hold their own. His Wonder Woman is great. I really don't like the manga trend of drawing women like they are kids.
     
  4. Professor Zoom

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    And now, Wonder Woman is boring again... just another super hero book... pass.
     
  5. Savage Dragon

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    I haven't read it yet. I'll probably take a look over my lunch break.

    I did read Justice League this morning though. I am liking this new direction with Lex so far. And Fabok's art was great.
     
  6. Hound of UIster

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    We have examples from the Gail Simone run where she was actively told not to use elements of the Rucka run when she wanted to reintroduce ideas from that run so your argument is not true. Having different editors creates different prerogatives. The need to make Wonder Woman more superhero-like comes from the fact that the book is now under the control of the Justice League editors. Likewise SM/WW having so much connections with the Superman book is entirely due to the book being under the guidance of the Superman editor. To believe that the writer is pretty much free to write what he wants is ridiculous when you have seen all the firings of writers and artists at DC during the early-mid stages of the Nu52. The process and shape of the book can be very much determined at the hands of the editor.
     
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  7. Captain Craig

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    Just got to the following from last week:

    Swamp Thing #36 - 'Machine Queen pt2', the fledgling Machine Kingdom is seeking to assert itself and it's dominance but loses badly to Alec & The Green. The issue has a touching moment of Alec & Abbey(now in the Kingdom of Rot) enjoying a brief moment while discussing this new Kingdoms birth&rise. The issue ends with the Machine acolytes decreeing they need a human host as avatar to truly know if the human equation is what makes an avatar superior and they are likely to choose....
    Lady Weeds

    Aquaman & the Others #7 - I don't recall the title but I'm enjoying where this arc is going. By issues end The Others seemingly have their first Villain team to call their own(whose name escapes me, sorry! DOH) with Cheshire, KGBeast, NKVDemon & Maelstrom. Anyone else reading this title? I like how although Aquaman is in the title the book mostly spotlights The Others during the story itself thus far.
     
  8. Admiral_Young

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    I read "Wonder Woman #36" and while it wasn't the disaster I thought it was going to be there was a lot of terrible dialogue in the book and it looks like it is indeed gonna be back to previous status quo with her. So I'll just be sticking with "Justice League" for now until something better comes along. I dropped "Superman/Wonder Woman" when Soule left.
     
  9. Saga

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    i agree that the dialogue was a bit rough...but i'm gonna give it a few more issues.
     
  10. C.E. Evans

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    Oh, it's true all right because not every book has the same writer or editor if you think about it. Some editors give their writers (like Bendis) a great deal of leeway using earlier material in their stories while others don't. For example, in Green Lantern Corps there doesn't seem to be any problems for writers bringing back earlier characters and revisiting events that even predate the nu52.
     
  11. Savage Dragon

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    Ok, I just read Arkham Manor and I'm confused. Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but when did Bruce Wayne lose/move out of Wayne Manor?
     
  12. Admiral_Young

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    That isn't exactly explained. The book seems to take place in a loose continuity of sorts.
     
  13. Mr Light

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    I haven't read Batman Eternal in a couple months but didn't it happen there?
     
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    I haven't read Eternal since issue twenty...so possibly yeah.
     
  15. Hound of UIster

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    The guys who gave WW to the Finches are not people who give much in the way of creative leeway. IMO they are more known for the creative musical chairs you see during the beginning of the Nu52 era and are imo characterized by the terrible habit of giving comic scripting jobs to people who shouldn't have them(television people, artists and other people who have zero experience writing comics such as Finch's wife). The stuff that Azzarello/Chiang wrote is just not their cup of tea. Traditional stuff like Forever Evil of the early Lee/Johns Justice League stuff is more their cup of tea. IMO these aren't people who are known for picking good comic book writers for books and encouraging creativeity, but rather people who are too focused on temporary sales orders using hot artists (ala Finch) or what is popular (such as getting the Arrow writers for GA), which end up backfiring whether it be because the artists can't meet deadlines , the new writers are terrible at doing a comic book format or the books are just bad because the editors were too focused on other things and put quality and story last.

    And iirc the editors on GLC were the same team that also did WW, Swamp Thing, and most of the other decent books that weren't Superman or Batman releated.
     
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  16. Admiral_Young

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    I'm guessing they prefer more traditional, run of the mill type stories rather than high concept and "original" take stories?
     
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    I'm all up to date on Batman Eternal and unless my memory is worse than I thought, I don't recall any mention of Bruce losing Wayne Manor.
     
  18. Mr Light

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    I just assume it happened there since I hadn't read it :lol:
     
  19. C.E. Evans

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    Unless you actually work with these guys, there's no way to know that will be the case here. So all we can really go by is what the Finches do or don't do.
    Or they prefer more accessible stories that will appeal to more readers rather than fewer.
     
  20. Hound of UIster

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    We have seen their record on previous books, which is the problem most of which involves putting style over substance. I don't understand why you seem to want to write off their rather terrible performance they have done on DC books for both the old DCU and NuDCU.