Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes confirmed for Bond 24

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  1. Professor Zoom

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    This. The goal is to humiliate and kill M, but the plan is to get captured, rely on Q's stupidity and break out on the day she's testifying? Really? Just do what Bond did several times, sneak into her house... This WAS supposed to be a gritty realistic film, yeah?

    Goldfinger's plan was the easiest way to achieve his insane goal. This guy.... an easy goal... so he made it that much harder for himself?

    Bad, bad, bad writing.

    It's sort of like The World is Not Enough... Not a bad Bond movie until Denise Richards shows up.
     
  2. Jax

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    I need to rewatch Skyfall but my rankings tend to go...

    Casino Royale
    Goldeneye
    Skyfall
    Tommorow Never Dies

    I don't have a 5th favourite though probably one of the Dalton movies might squeeze into it.
     
  3. Relayer1

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    They've all been pretty stupid since they stopped using (or sticking to) Fleming plots when Moore signed up - I still think the best Moore film is For Your Eyes Only and they managed to mess with that.

    Skyfall was no exception...
     
  4. tighr

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    I enjoyed Fleming's Live and Let Die, and would have liked seeing that book on film. Instead, we got the borderline racist blaxploitation failure with Yaphet Kotto. At least Jane Seymour was hot.
     
  5. DalekJim

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    The Man With The Golden Gun is the only shit Moore film, and even that has some terrific moments.
     
  6. JarodRussell

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    Skyfall is Craig's best Bond film.

    And now that everything is back in place (it took them only 3 movies! D'oh!) maybe we finally get to see a true James Bond adventure with Daniel Craig.


    Hopefully David Arnold returns to score. Newman was fine in the silent moments, but the action scoring was horrible.
     
  7. MacLeod

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    And hopefully the gun barrel ill be back where it belongs at the start.
     
  8. JarodRussell

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    Hopefully.


    I want a nice traditional James Bond film, with a bit of the rough edges of Craig's Bond. But I want the gun barrell at the beginning, a fine world domination villain plot, and all that stuff.
     
  9. Relayer1

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    Live and Let Die is OK
    For Your Eyes Only is really quite good

    And in order from poor to bloody dreadful -

    The Man With The Golden Gun
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Octopussy
    A View To A Kill
    Moonraker
     
  10. CaptainCanada

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    Not really, no. It's about applying a realistic feel to a very unrealistic series of events, which is what Christopher Nolan did with Batman, for instance (none of Nolan's Batman movies are "realistic" at all on a plot level, but they feel that way). That's arguably the dominant style of modern blockbuster filmmaking. This being paired with some of the series' best character work (though the number of Bond films that even attempt that is admittedly pretty short).
     
  11. CorporalClegg

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    What's a "traditional James Bond film?" Is that like "real" Star Trek?
     
  12. DalekJim

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    The Spy Who Loved Me is fucking great.
     
  13. CaptainCanada

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    Er, the stuff he wrote after the part you reproduced fills out what he thinks of as a "traditional James Bond film".
     
  14. CorporalClegg

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    Er, FTFY.
     
  15. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    This will make Sam Mendes the first director since John Glen in the 1980s to direct back-to-back Bond films.
     
  16. Relayer1

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    I thought so at the time - it was probably the first Bond film I saw at the cinema - I was 13 or 14 at the time.

    I've seen it several time since and it is obviously the start of Bonds 'ludicrous' phase but, admittedly nowhere near as crap as its follow-up Moonraker.
     
  17. Gaith

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    My two cents, which are sure to be ignored:

    Instead of making up another ridiculous one-off villain a la Silva (ha ha, he's blond and a hacker like Julian Assange, aren't we clever), either go full-on fantasy and return to the Quantum plot, or (even better, in my view) make the next movie actually gritty and realistic, as in Bond having to single-handedly infiltrate some really gnarly part of the world, a Pyongyang or Mogadishu or Tehran. I'm no fan of Die Another Day, but at least it committed to its ludicrous fantasy, much like Casino Royale committed to covering some pretty minor (in blockbuster terms, at least) money-laundering and stock-rigging.

    I'd also like to learn more about Bond as a character. Since Skyfall made such a big deal about his aging and not being as invincible as he used to be, fine, let's actually address the subject instead of coyly circling it: does he ever think about retiring, or what he'll do if he's made to? If he ever does, will he just hang around in tropical locales, fooling around with booze and women on a permanent basis? Will he still be chasing thirty-something tail with his cane and bad back?

    The Brosnan-era Bonds made occasional references to the character's history as a British Navy officer; I assume the Craig Bond has some military background also. Does he have no friends or ties left from his Navy days? Does he ever want a family? Does he ever hang out with any other MI6 agents socially, or even at work (apart from briefings and the like)? Or is he just a soulless, "high functioning sociopath" with no interests whatsoever apart from whatever's bothering M and Britain at the moment?

    Because frankly, I just didn't care whether Bond lived or died throughout Skyfall. Instead of accepting M's view of him as a disposable tool as an inherent part of the job, as he seemed prepared to do in Casino Royale, he acted all childishly petulant about it, later had his way with a long-time sex slave, and let Silva taunt him in the Underground tunnel instead of taking the clear shot.

    So, yeah, it'd be nice to care about Bond again, and some solid character work could help nicely in that regard.
     
  18. JarodRussell

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    I love Moonraker. And A View To A Kill

    But Moore's best ones are For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy and The Spy Who Loved Me imo.

    The single worst one is definitely Live and Let Die. And that is all relative, because it's still very entertaining.


    One of the reasons I like Skyfall so much is that they paid homage to every Bond era. The komodo dragon scene was so Roger Moore, I loved it.
     
  19. maneth

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    Yes! Great news. I'm hoping the second Mendes Bond will be as good as Skyfall.
     
  20. Relayer1

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    He is still in the Navy as a reserve.

    M's aide Bill Tanner is a close friend, also with a military background. Felix Leiter is also a friend.

    In the novels anyway...
     

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