COUNTDOWN TO DARKNESS 5-page preview

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by King Daniel Beyond, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    ^Yeah, the whole practice of reusing a registration number with a letter after it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a normal one. Frankly it doesn't make a damn bit of sense to use it at all. The purpose of a registration number is different from the purpose of a name; a number should go with a specific, unique ship, not with a particular name assigned to different ships. In fact, I think there are cases in real life where the same ship has had its number changed after a refit or on a new mission while keeping the same name.

    So there's no sensible reason why every ship named Enterprise should be associated with the specific number NCC-1701. That's just a silly conceit that the makers of The Voyage Home threw in for nostalgia's sake and that the makers of TNG unfortunately followed suit with. In-universe, it was supposedly done to pay tribute to the great accomplishments of Kirk and his Enterprise crew, so it was meant to be specific to that ship and its successors -- though there have been occasional references to the practice being used with other ship names in the 24th century, mainly in the tie-ins. (And when the Sao Paulo was renamed Defiant to replace the original one near the end of DS9, it got the same registry number without a letter appended, but that was just because the producers wanted to save money by reusing the existing digital model and stock footage of the Defiant.) So there's no reason why any prior ships named Enterprise would reuse the same registry number with letters appended.
     
  2. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh shi-

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  3. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    A female Bajoran Mudd?

    :guffaw:
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    What.

    The.

    Fuck??
     
  5. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Likely his daughter, wife or half-sister. Not sure he was old enough to have an adult daughter?
     
  6. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    Well I thought it was pretty clever. I remember watching the TNG episode "Where Silence has Lease" and noticed how the Yamato had a registration number with an E at the end. Since it was a galaxy class ship, I always thought that the line of starships named the Yamato must have dated back earlier than the Enterprise. I was disappointed when they changed the registry from subsequent episodes because I always enjoyed little details like a letter telling you a lot about a ship's lineage.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    YES. daughter is good. He looked old enough to me in TOS to have one.

    Who wants to bet Greg Grunberg shows up as Harry in the movie?
     
  8. SalvorHardin

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    What if Mudd found the Botany Bay and is trying to sell some augment cryo pods? By the end of Countdown Kirk gets them, takes them back to Earth and hands them over to Starfleet.
    Starfleet tries to bring the augments back to life but only Harrison survives and all hell brakes loose.

    Or not :p
     
  9. Oso Blanco

    Oso Blanco Commodore Commodore

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    I don't think it's the woman who speaks, it's someone off-screen!
     
  10. SalvorHardin

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    From what I've heard, it's her talking. She's claims to be working for April, making a business delivery to Phaedus.
     
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    But he'd be six or seven years younger in 2258/59.
     
  12. bullethead

    bullethead Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    My solution: Mudd knocked up some girl when he was really young and ran away. The girl is hunting down her father and attempting to get all the child support money her mom was owed :lol:
     
  13. Franklin

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    If that could be
    a child of Harcourt Fenton Mudd
    someone has a lot of explaining to do to this woman -- .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1EbxYKh_4
     
  14. BillJ

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    He'd have to be really young. :eek:
     
  15. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    If Harry was the same age as Roger C. Carmel, he would've been born in 2232, just a year before Kirk. That would be a bit young to have an adult daughter. However, that would've made him only 34 in "Mudd's Women," and he always struck me as being at least a decade older than that.
     
  16. Lord Garth FOI

    Lord Garth FOI Commander Red Shirt

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    More likely the creators are telling the hard core F U it's always been a reboot
     
  17. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    ^"The creators" are not responsible for the contents of the comic. One of them, Roberto Orci, has approval over its storylines, but it's unclear just how closely he works with the comic's writers. And the rest of the filmmakers are busy actually, y'know, making the film. The comics are not actually canonical, as Orci has told us dozens of times.
     
  18. ChristopherPike

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    Bajoran name system ran a little differently didn't it? Nerys Kira is how we'd present her forename and surname but there were cultural reasons for the switch. Am I remembering this right?

    I just think the Abramsverse wants to play fast and loose with some of established pieces. Hoping that splintering off at Kirk's 2233 birth would be enough to do it with 100% freedom, but some of the reasoning has to worked hard to try and fit it in with what their nature is, in any universe... even a twisted evil one like the Mirror one. Sooner or later, I'm beginning to think they're going to undermine their own rule about everything up until the start of the film, being the Prime universe.

    It comes across as somebody having thought "Wouldn't it be cool if Mudd had been a female Bajoran?" because the vocal Niners will get a kick out of that. Not a whole lot of thinking beyond that as far as I can see. I very much hope I'm proved wrong and there are well-versed fans behind this with an answer for everything.

    Anyway what happened to Mudd's nagging other half? The one he had a robot version made of once? Stellaaaaaaaaaa! :D
     
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  19. BillJ

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    Doubtful. I fully expect there will be an explanation on why Mudd went from male human to female bajoran. Possible she's a sibling, ex-wife or daughter.
     
  20. The Wormhole

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    Actually, isn't the story for Countdown to Darkness co-developed by Orci? The credits page of issue 1 gives him a Story credit as opposed to the Creative Consultant credit he has in the Ongoing series.