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Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by King Daniel Beyond, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Hartzilla2007

    Hartzilla2007 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    And it was mostly part of trying to get Kirk to stop thinking he could just jump back in the center seat like the 2 years since he was last there hadn't happened by reminding him they changed a lot of stuff on the ship.

    To be fair nothing on screen ever said or showed what a Daedalus-class starship looks like, everyone just assumed the model on Sisko's desk was of a Daedalus-class.
     
  2. throwback

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    That's why I concluded that paragraph by stating that I can live with that inconsistency. I think that it's possible to accept an idea when introduced by someone else, especially when that else is a person of authority, and not question it. The comic presented an alternate version of the Archon that could be as legitmate as the Daedalus-class Archon.
     
  3. Ovation

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    Your rant piqued my curiosity as I did my graduate work on historical feature films and the way they influence the general public's perception of history. Among the things I examined were, of course, the juxtaposition of dramatic emphasis with historical distortions (and the extent to which such distortions pose problems). In the literature, I found two broad points of view on this matter--one where indignation was the norm and one where allowances were made for the format of film that would not be made for more traditional forms of presentation. I began my research with leanings toward the former position but concluded (and have become ever more convinced) the latter position is the way to go.

    Now, as to the specific point of the Connecticut vote in Lincoln, I have no serious qualms about the choice (as the dramatic tension was heightened by the choice--even though I knew before viewing the film about Connecticut's actual vote, it did not stand out in the scene as the drama was compelling enough). However, I might have chosen a different tack by not showing Connecticut's vote at all (and omitting a couple of other ones). This would have avoided the factual error and maintained the drama (though others would no doubt have complained that a particular state's vote had been ignored). A similar situation is found in Argo. The dramatically effective action in the airport in the closing act of the film bears little resemblance to reality. Reality, though, would have been rather boring. Dramatic license in service of a commercial feature film was an appropriate option there (as it was in Lincoln).

    In my work, I concluded that rather than gleefully nitpick historical feature films for flaws and factual errors (as many historians do--and in so doing come to resemble some of the more strident Trek purists), using such deviations from the historical record as starting points for discussions, and having students analyze why such deviations are there, make for a more fruitful exercise. So while a horrible history film like The Patriot can easily be dismissed as full of nonsense, that's too easy a path to follow (and it is a hollow discussion). I've found it to be an effective lesson in how popular cultural representations of historical events often reveal a great deal about the present, even as they distort (more or less heavily) the past.

    Ok. Probably too much off topic. So, what was the topic again? :lol:

    Oh yeah--April's Enterprise? Don't really care how it is depicted in a comic book. Is that the right answer?
     
  4. throwback

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    When I watch a historical drama, I check the history behind the film. So, I suppose that these films are encouraging me to learn more about history.
     
  5. Lord Garth FOI

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    So is khan's ship gonna be the original enterprise?
     
  6. throwback

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    If there are other Federation starships, or any starship for that matter, in the movie, I doubt that it will look like the hero ship. That whole thing about confusing the audience.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    How's this for bizarre - Trekmovie.com's Anthony Pascale is in the Countdown to Darkness credits, but any comment mentioning this on their site is being deleted. I only know because of some people deliberately misspelling his name to avoid the find-and-delete script. I wonder why?

    (although it does explain why he was so desperately pushing Bob Orci to declare the comics canon a few months ago. Poor guy needs to learn that canon isn't everything.)
     
  8. BillJ

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    Nice to know everyone has an ulterior motive. :lol:
     
  9. ChristopherPike

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    Looks like a clear case of the 98th Rule of Acquistion to me.
     
  10. Franklin

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    On Comicvine, he's listed as a creative consultant, which could mean about anything. The link is below. On the page, his name is on the left under "Creators Credits." Click on any of the person's names, and you get their titles.

    http://www.comicvine.com/star-trek-countdown-to-darkness/49-56122/
     
  11. Admiral Buzzkill

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    This is inferring a lot.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    I wonder why he's trying to keep it under wraps? Maybe so he doesn't get the fanrage from every incorrectly drawn Enterprise or inexplicable continuity-shredding plot twist?
     
  13. Franklin

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    I guess the only thing to do is ask him. ;)
     
  14. Ketrick

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    Agreed. Not only that, Mr. Pascale has been a supporter of including the comics and whatever else members of the Supreme Court are involved in since Countdown came out in 2009. Though, it is absolutely true that canon isn't everything.
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Tell me how the automatic delete function works - does it only delete posts referencing Anthony's name in the context of the comic, or does it delete all posts referencing the name?
     
  16. Lord Garth FOI

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    So what if Anthony has his hand in the till
    Good for him. I had many good Times there back when it was a site about TOS remastered and was basically me, Bailey, Spockboy and a few other

    Anyway more importantly,

    Is Khan's ship going to be the original (April's Connieish) Enterprise..?
    Am I the only one who thinks that's beyond fcking cool?
    Remember in one of the leaked there is a ship with a very. Connie looking nacelle going into some space hanger
     
  17. BillJ

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    Where?
     
  18. SeerSGB

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    This ^

    I never heard of such a thing before.
     
  19. Lord Garth FOI

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  20. Christopher

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    Why are people still assuming Khan is the villain when both Simon Pegg and, quite recently, Alice Eve have blatantly stated that it's not Khan?
     

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