Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Batmans

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  1. Aragorn

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    Batman and Gotham City have been on the big screen and the small screen in many versions of all shapes and sizes. Each with their own take on the legend, some loved, others hated.

    I want you to say something positive and something negative about each one of them (that apply) using constructive criticism. If you hated "Batman & Robin," list a reason why, but also list something good about that movie. If you loved "The Dark Knight," list a reason why, but also list something negative about that movie.


    Batman (1943)
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    Batman and Robin (1949)
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    "Batman" (1966)
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    Batman Fights Dracula (1967)
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    "The Batman/Superman Hour" (1968)
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    "Super Friends" (1973)
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    Batman (1989) and Batman Returns (1992)
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    "Batman: The Animated Series" (1992)
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    Batman Forever (1995)
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    Batman & Robin (1997)
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    "Batman Beyond" (1999)
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    "Birds of Prey" (2002)
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    Catwoman (2004)
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    "The Batman" (2004)
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    Batman Begins (2005) and The Dark Knight (2008)
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    Batman: Gotham Knight (2008)
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  2. Jim Steele

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman Begins:

    Pro: Brilliantly Realised

    Con: Selective Microwaves

    Dark Knight:

    Pro: Heath Ledger's Joker

    Con: Christian Bale's Batvoice

    Tim Burton's Batman/Batman Returns

    Pro: They're very Tim Burton

    Con: They're very Tim Burton

    Batman Forever

    Pro: Um, Jim Carrey was a good Riddler. I guess.

    Con: Too heavily based on the 60s television show.
     
  3. Bishbot

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Begins
    Pro: Told a mature Batman story that was actually a decent film in its own right
    Con: Batman STILL couldn't turn his head

    Dark Knight
    Pro: The best superhero film ever made
    Con: My favourite villain:Two-Face, gets kind of shafted again

    Batman (1989)
    Pro: Finally gave the Batman story some of the darkness and gravitas it deserves in live action
    Con: Still too campy in too many places: Prince songs, what the hell?

    Batman Returns
    Pro: Some of the set design is very pretty.
    Con: Its not a Batman story, its the worst of Tim Burton's twisted dreams onscreen

    Batman Forever
    Pro: Val Kilmer put in a certain amount of effort
    Con: They destroyed the character of Two-Face, giving him zero pathos and telling us his backstory in a weakass flashback.

    Batman and Robin
    Pro: I've never watched it all the way through
    Con: I've never been able to sit and watch it all the way through

    Batman: TAS
    Pro: Fantastic animation and design
    Con: Imagine what it could have been like with no network execs checking the content

    Birds of Prey
    Pro: Fun nods to the Batman mythos
    Con: The scripts and acting are strictly mediocre
     
  4. Broccoli

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    Batman - 1966
    Pro: Pure goofy fun
    Con: Damaged the view of superhero-based media for some time

    Batman
    Pro: Great production style of having a 1930s look with modern dashes
    Con: Joker killing Bruce's parents?

    Batman Returns
    Pro: Lots of style
    Con: I don't know who those characters were, but they were not from the Batman universe

    Batman Forever
    Pro: A really good Batman story and closest to the source material of the 80s/90s Bat-films.
    Con: The Villains were a little over the top and strayed a little far from their source material

    Batman and Robin
    Pro: Good action sequences and a great score
    Con: "Let's kick some ice."

    Catwoman
    Pro: Halley Berry's costume
    Con: Everything else

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Pro: Very good interpretation of Batman
    Con: Producers come off as a little too arrogant at times

    Batman Beyond
    Pro: Most interesting and unique addition to the Batman mythology in years
    Con: It turned out that Terry was Bruce Wayne's son through a needlessly complicated and convoluted plan

    Batman Begins
    Pro: Nice balance between the villains
    Con: Batman running over cops and thinking no one will care

    The Dark Knight
    Pro: Heath Ledger's performance as Joker.
    Con: Lousy narrative structure.

    Batman: Gotham Knight
    Pro: Neat marketing tie-in
    Con: Kinda lame upon a second viewing
     
  5. nx1701g

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    "Batman" (1966)
    Good: Has remained popular and introduced a lot of people to the Dark Knight.
    Bad: Made Batman campy and NO DVD RELEASE

    "The Batman/Superman Hour" (1968)
    Good: Helped create a new generation of Bat-Fans
    Bad: Not very memorable.

    "Super Friends" (1973)
    Good: Prototype Justice League
    Bad: Not very memorable

    Batman (1989) and Batman Returns (1992)
    Good: Started the next generation of fans, helped usher in a new era of Superhero films.
    Bad: Batman kills people

    "Batman: The Animated Series" (1992)
    Good: The definitive Batman
    Bad: Didn't run long enough.

    Batman Forever (1995)
    Good: Expanded the character
    Bad: Two-Face doesn't continually flip his coin

    Batman & Robin (1997)
    Good: Arnold Schwarzenegger returns to his villain roots
    Bad: He wasn't very good at it.

    "Batman Beyond" (1999)
    Good: Excellent followup to B:TAS, Bruce had a son
    Bad: Ignored Barbara Gordon's continuity

    "Birds of Prey" (2002)
    Good: Kept bits of continuity ignored by other Bat series (Jason Todd for example).
    Bad: Not enough episodes so most consider it mediocre. Too much meddling by DC Comics (they had decided they wanted to move Batman back to a movie property shortly after the series began). Batman would not leave Gotham City.

    Catwoman (2004)
    Good: Halle Berry
    Bad: Everything else - including Halle Berry

    "The Batman" (2004)
    Good: Shows Batman early in his career
    Bad: Robin, Batgirl joined WAY too early

    Batman Begins (2005) and The Dark Knight (2008)
    Good: Pretty much everything
    Bad: Batman's voice

    Batman: Gotham Knight (2008)
    Good: Different stories add to the mystique of Batman
    Bad: Only worth a rental
     
  6. S. Gomez

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    I'm only going to comment on what I've actually seen. That seems fair.

    Batman (1966)
    The Good: Very, very funny. I fell off the couch laughing.
    The Bad: Well... some of it was cheesy without being actually funny.

    Batman: The Animated Series
    The Good: Probably the most mature animated series I've ever seen. Cartoons ain't just for kids!
    The Bad: Quite a few of the episodes had some sub-par animation, occasionally on episodes where the writing deserved better.

    Batman Beyond
    The Good: The basic premise was solid, and turned out to be quite entertaining despite my initial misgivings.
    The Bad: It could get a little too teen-angst for my taste.

    Batman Begins
    The Good: Actually let me get into the Batman mythos, something no other live-action movie before it did.
    The Bad: "If that train reaches the tower, the water system right across the city is gonna BLOW!"... a total of three times.

    The Dark Knight
    The Good: Heath Ledger. Duh.
    The Bad: Everyone forgets to mention Aaron Eckhart.

    Batman (1989) & Batman Returns
    The Good: Tim Burton has an aesthetic interesting enough to make a visually impressive film.
    The Bad: It doesn't quite mix properly with Batman, in my opinion.
    The Ugly: The Penguin. Ugh.
     
  7. EnterpriseF

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman (1989)
    Good - Michael Keaton
    Bad - Batman using bullets

    Batman Returns (1992)
    Good - Darker story
    Bad - Killer Penguins carrying missles[​IMG]

    "Batman: The Animated Series" (1992)
    Good - Stories done by Paul Dini
    Bad - It was cancelled too soon.
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    Batman Forever (1995)
    Good - Nicole Kidman
    Bad - Treating Two face as another Joker
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    Batman & Robin (1997)
    Good - Somewhat interesting premise
    Bad - An observatory in the city[​IMG]


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    Batman Begins (2005)
    Good - great story
    Bad - Katie Holmes

    The Dark Knight (2008)
    Good - Heath Ledger, Aaron Eckhert, Morgan Freeman
    Bad - Weak ending imo[​IMG]

    Batman: Gotham Knight (2008)
     
  8. Lapis Exilis

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat


    Batman (1943) & Batman and Robin (1949)
    Never have seen them. I understand they are nearly unwatchable.


    "Batman" (1966)
    Good: Some of the highest and finest camp ever produced. Introduction of Barbara Gordon to the Bat-mythos.
    Bad: Bat-fans who can't take a joke.


    Batman Fights Dracula (1967)
    Never seen it. How did you dig this up?


    "The Batman/Superman Hour" (1968)
    Maybe saw it once or twice. Don't remember it.


    "Super Friends" (1973)
    Good: Superheroes in the 70s! And Casey Kasem as Robin!
    Bad: Even as a kid I wondered why the Superfriends wasted time announcing things like "That giant robot is about to step on those people. I'll blow it away with my super-breath!", rather than just, you know, blowing it away with the super-breath. I always wanted to holler at the screen, "We know what you can do, dummy - just do it!"

    Batman (1989)
    Good: Fantastic stylistics, an interesting take on Bruce Wayne from Keaton.
    Bad: Jack Nicholson ACTING the Joker, a fat and useless Jim Gordon, Alfred lets Vicki Vale into the Batcave??


    Batman Returns (1992)
    Good: Meow! Great chemistry between Keaton and Pfeiffer
    Bad: Circus freaks break into the Batmobile by pointing a whirligig at it. 8 minute long sequence of penguins walking this way and that way. A third act that makes no sense whatsoever.


    "Batman: The Animated Series" (1992)
    Good: Enjoyable storytelling, often some clever dialog, Harley Quinn
    Bad: A little light for what I'm looking for in Batman.


    Batman Forever (1995)
    Good: Excellent action
    Bad: Shoehorned in, pointless love interest. Chris O'Donnell. Ultimately just not very memorable.


    Batman & Robin (1997)
    Good: Bruce and Alfred - it's actually a quite touching little character arc.
    Bad: Everything else.


    "Batman Beyond" (1999)
    Good: Probably the most successful attempt to put someone besides Bruce in the cowl.
    Bad: Didn't really hold my attention. The Animated stuff just has too simplistic a characterization of Bruce Wayne.


    "Birds of Prey" (2002)
    Good: The concept had potential.
    Bad: Focus on Helena rather than Barbara. The dialogue. Super-lame Canary Jr. Ashley Scott couldn't act her way out a wet paper bag.


    Catwoman (2004)
    Good: It's pretty forgettable.
    Bad: Story. Dialogue. Villain.


    "The Batman" (2004)
    Good: They seem to be doing some original things with the mythos.
    Bad: Don't really care for the animation style.


    Batman Begins (2005)
    Good: An onscreen story finally figures out what's interesting about Bruce Wayne - and it's not his gadgets. Innovative take on Ra's rather saves that character from absurdity. Beautiful slick look. Fantastic performances.
    Bad: The car chase was pretty painful.


    The Dark Knight (2008)
    Good: Ballsiest take on a superhero ever to hit the screen. Not afraid to get at the tragic, insane core of the best Batman stories. Amazing performances. Bale nails the core of Bruce Wayne with his three way performance - such an arrogant ass in public, pure brute force as Batman, repressed and intense as private Bruce - a man who is a stranger to himself and everyone else. Ledger is the perfect foil, manic, mercurial and terrifying. A multi-layered story built of echoes and resonances that stick with you for days.
    Bad: Is it just me or does Alfred spend the entire movie telling Bruce to suck it up and not be such a baby? Rachel's letter to Bruce is possibly the worst film dialogue since "Road House".


    Batman: Gotham Knight (2008)
    Haven't seen it. Considering renting it though.
     
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  9. Emh

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman (1966)
    Good: Good ol' fashioned camp.
    Bad: Good ol' fashioned camp.

    Batman (1989)
    Good: Gothic setting.
    Bad: Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson.

    Batman Returns
    Good: Selina Kyle & Catwoman.
    Bad: Penguin.

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Good: Great characterizations and storylines throughout.
    Bad: The horrid redesign in animation in the latter part of its run.

    Batman Forever
    I tried yesterday watching it and I couldn't get past 15 minutes. I thought people said this was better than Batman & Robin! :lol:

    Batman & Robin
    Good: Uma Thurman.
    Bad: Everything else.

    Batman Beyond
    Good: Fantastic take on the future of Batman's mythos.
    Bad: Terry was Bruce's genetically engineered son? :wtf:

    Birds of Prey
    I've always wanted to check this out but I haven't had the chance yet.

    Catwoman
    I pretend that this never existed.

    Batman Begins
    Good: Excellent origin story.
    Bad: The shooting position in the Tumbler.

    Gotham Knight
    Good: When it's good, it's great.
    Bad: When it's bad, it's terrible.

    The Dark Knight
    Good: Heath Ledger.
    Bad: Everyone forgets to mention Gary Oldman.
     
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  10. PsychoPere

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman (1966)
    Pro: The Batmobile
    Con: Camp

    Batman (1989)
    Pro: The Batman treated as a serious, dark character
    Con: Jack Nicholson; The Joker's backstory; pretty much everything else

    Batman Returns
    Pro: Great set design
    Con: Everything else

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Pro: The definitive adaptation
    Con: Animation redesign in later seasons

    Batman Forever
    Pro: Kilmer was decent as the Batman
    Con: Everything else

    Batman & Robin
    Pro: Michael Gough as Alfred Pennyworth
    Con: Everything else

    Batman Beyond
    Pro: Interesting angle on continuing the Batman through a successor
    Con: Terry as Bruce's son

    Birds of Prey
    Pro: Dina Meyer as Barbara Gordon
    Con: Everything else

    Batman Begins
    Pro: Fantastic look at the Batman's origins
    Con: Katie Holmes

    Batman: Gotham Knight
    Pro: Interesting anthology experiment
    Con: Would've preferred one overarching story instead

    The Dark Knight
    Pro: Everything except
    Con: The cell phone sonar system
     
  11. CaptainCanada

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    40s Batman
    Good: Introduced a lot of people to Batman, there's a lot of fun to be found in observing the low-budget filming with clear period influences on storytelling (Batman and Robin vs. the Japs).
    Bad: Kind of lame.

    Batman (1966)
    Good: Hilarious fun
    Bad: Some fans can't take a joke, some non-fans can't see the genre as anything other than this.

    Batman (1989)
    Good: Introduced a more serious tone to the public's perception of the character.
    Bad: Weirdly divergent in some important ways, too weird in general.

    Batman Returns
    Good: Continues the serious take.
    Bad: Continues and amps up the weirdness, in some cases (penguins with rocket launchers) descending to outright camp in its own way.

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Good: Pretty much everything.
    Bad: Fans who cultishly insist all future takes on the character must either be continuations or this or else use all the same actors and creators.

    Batman Forever
    Good: Jim Carrey's Gorshin-esque Riddler
    Bad: Beginning of The End

    Batman and Robin
    Good: Clooney is the only pre-Bale Batman to pull off a decent billionaire playboy; one of the many, many failings of the script is failing to play to this.
    Bad: Everything else.

    Batman Beyond
    Good: Very interesting experiment with memorable future characters and setting.
    Bad: Succumbs to the trap of making Bruce's future way too bleak.

    Birds of Prey
    Good: Dina Meyer
    Bad: Stupid, Smallville-style teen angst.

    Catwoman
    Good: Fantastic parody value.
    Bad: Oh, god, the pain of it all.

    The Batman
    Good: Makes excellent use of Batgirl and Robin (particularly the former).
    Bad: Stupid villain redesigns.

    Batman Begins
    Good: Fantastic, un-campy origin take
    Bad: Katie Holmes (though the character's writing was kind of bad too)

    The Dark Knight
    Good: Most everything
    Bad: Their take on Two-Face, while compelling on its own, kind of misses the point of the character (basically just keeping the gimmick).
     
  12. OdoWanKenobi

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    Batman (1966)
    Pro: A lot of light fun.
    Con: Has permanently colored public perception of Batman as kiddy

    Batman (1989)
    Pro: Visuals are great
    Con: Story and characters aren't great

    Batman Returns
    Pro: Visuals are great
    Con: Way too dark and neurotic

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Pro: The absolute definitive version of Batman.
    Con: Wasn't a fan of the animation redesign in the later seasons.

    Batman Forever
    Pro: Jim Carrey was pretty good as The Riddler (even if I prefer the Riddler as an intellectual)
    Con: Two-Face was butchered. He acted like The Joker. He flipped his coin multiple times.

    Batman and Robin
    Pro: George Clooney played Bruce Wayne well
    Con: Everything else

    Batman Beyond
    Pro: A fresh and interesting addition to the Batman mythos
    Con: While good, never was able to live up to the quality of B:TAS

    Batman Begins
    Pro: A well written, acted, directed, etc. reboot of the franchise
    Con: Katie Holmes was a bad casting choice

    Batman: Gotham Knight
    Pro: Conroy back as Batman
    Con: Some of the stories are just plain uninteresting.

    The Dark Knight
    Pro: An exciting and thought provoking story that transcends the genre of comic book movies to take its place amongst the best crime movies ever made.
    Con: Bale's Batman voice is a little grating.
     
  13. captcalhoun

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    Batman 66

    Good: Batgirl.
    Bad: everything else

    Batman 89

    Good: made the Bat dark again. good Alfred, good Batmobile. liked the Batwing
    Bad: Jacker Nicholson, Prince songs, killing the Joker

    Batman Returns

    Good: Michelle Pffeifer as Catwoman, Walken as Max Schrek
    Bad: Mutant Penguin.

    Batman Forever

    Good: Introducing an older non-camp Robin
    Bad: OTT Riddler, TLJ trying to out-Carrey Carrey, Batmobile going up a wall(?!)

    Batman and Robin

    Good: Batgirl in tight latex
    Bad: NIPPLES! NEON! ruined Mr Freeze. eviscerated Bane

    Batman Begins

    Good: Everything (except: )
    Bad: Katie Holmes/Rachel Dawes

    The Dark Knight

    Good: everything (except: )
    Bad Maggie Gyllenhaal/Rachel Dawes
     
  14. Captaindemotion

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    I haven't seen all of the versions on the list, so will just do the ones I have.

    Batman 1960s series & movie

    Pro: Great comic timing from West and Ward

    Con: As a result, for years, many people associated Batman in particular and comics in general with this sort of campness and silliness.

    Batman 1989

    Pro: The Batman mythos finally given a serious and big budget treatment

    Con: It feels like Tim Burton's idea of Batman, not a movie adaptation of the comic character

    Batman Returns:

    Pro: Fantastic visuals, great villains

    Con: Batman is essentially a supporting character

    Batman Forever

    Pro: Batman finally fights and moves like he ought to

    Con: Tommy Lee Jones' horrible performance

    Batman and Robin:

    Pro: Uma Thurman and Michael Gough's performance, bringing vampiness and dignity, respectively, to a movie that lacks most good qualities.

    Con: One of the worst scripts ever. Actually, pretty much everything except Thurman and Gough

    Batman Begins:

    Pro: The most faithful and respectful Batman movie to date

    Con: The climactic scenes could have been better handled

    The Dark Knight:

    Pro: Elevated the superhero movie to the level of great cinema for probably the first time ever.

    Con: I didn't like the courtroom scene near the start and some of the dialogue that (an uncredited) Nicky Katt got in the chase scene seemed to belong to a different movie (possibly a Michael Bay one)

    Catwoman:

    Pro: Halle looked hot in that outfit

    Con: Everything else

    Batman, TAS:

    Pro: Pre-Nolan, the best adaptation of Batman

    Con: Not really fair to blame the series, but I get a little tired of people who say that Mark Hamill should play the Joker in a live-action movie or that Kevin Conroy should play Batman in a live-action movie, even though they look nothing like the characters! Voice-over work is different from screen acting!

    The Batman animated series:

    Pro: A very individual visual look, with distinctive and original takes on the villains

    Con: Too sci-fi for my tastes. I would have preferred an animated show that was obviously influenced by the Nolan movies, in the way that the previous animated show was influenced by the Burton ones.
     
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    Batman 89
    Good: Visuals, music
    Bad: Nicholson not menacing enough, weak plot

    Batman Returns
    Good: The sets, all the acting
    Bad: "Eat floor, high fiber" and Penguin having the schematics of the Batmobile.

    Batman Forever
    Good: Jim Carrey's introductory scene was OK, also liked the bank guard and "You're ruining my big party! Are you insane?"
    Bad: Two-Face wasted

    Batman & Robin
    Good: Poison Ivy at the ball, Alfred's scenes and "I hate when people talk during the movies."
    Bad: Too-bright colors.

    Batman Begins
    Good: Ra's, Scarecrow, Falcone
    Bad: The car chase, the real world look.

    The Dark Knight
    Good: Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent.
    Bad: Wayne was sidelined, too-real world, themes were mostly underwhelming and familiar.
     
  16. mostly_nameless

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    40s Batman
    Never Saw them.

    Batman (1966)
    Good: Fun!
    Bad: Killed Adam West's career?

    Batman (1989)
    Good: Keaton made a fascinating Batman and the rest of the cast was just about perfect too.
    Bad: "You made me, well you made me first"

    Batman Returns
    Good: The scene where the cats reanimate Catwoman is kind of cool...and the joke where she falls into the "kitty litter"
    Bad: EVERYTHING ELSE

    Batman: The Animated Series
    Haven't seen it

    Batman Forever
    Good: Kilmer is suitably broody looking
    Bad: EVERYTHING ELSE, but especially Tommy Lee Jones being Two Face instead of Billy Dee Williams

    Batman and Robin
    Good: Clooney was cool and the relationships between the main characters were pretty good.
    Bad: This wasn't even memorable enough to hate

    Batman Beyond
    Haven't seen it.

    Birds of Prey
    Haven't seen it.

    Catwoman
    Good: Pretty posters?
    Bad: They should've stuck with just the pretty posters.

    The Batman
    ????

    Batman Begins
    Good: Finally explains where all of those cool toys come from---and--Liam Neeson
    Bad: the staying locked up in a third world prison to "study criminals" part was a wee-bit odd.

    The Dark Knight
    Haven't seen it yet
     
  17. Galactus

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    "Batman" (1966)
    Pros:Responsible for making Batman an icon with the general public
    Cons: Batfans of today

    "Super Friends" (1973)
    Pros: Introduced a diverse group of heroes, later on to the public
    Cons: Introduced a lame diverse group of heroes/Batman and Robin actually being able to hang with the other heroes

    Batman (1989)
    Pros: Finally put Batman in some type of armor
    Cons: Mr. Mom as Batman, the Joker, shooting a plane down with a handgun, Vickie Vale in the batcave, the list goes on

    Batman Returns (1992)
    Pros: Can't think of one
    Cons: Everything was wrong

    "Batman: The Animated Series" (1992)
    Pros: Actually showed Batman not doing things he was not suppose to do
    Cons: The creators loved Batman way too much/ was not in black like the movies or armor

    Batman Forever (1995)
    Pros: Val as Batman/Jim Carey as Riddler
    Cons: Cheating Billy Dee out of being Two Face, two villians in the same movie

    Batman & Robin (1997)
    Pros:cast a real life Bruce Wayne as Batman
    Cons: proceded to make an absolutely terrible movie with way too many people in it

    "Batman Beyond" (1999)
    Pros: something to kill time on occasion
    Cons: was a Spiderman rip off/then with Terry being Batman's son, please how stupid is that.

    "Birds of Prey" (2002)
    Pros: Good show that ended way too soon. Harley was awesome
    Cons: Batfans who wanted to see a Batman show when there is no bat in it/copying X-Men way too much, with the whole meta human or whatever they called them at the time

    "The Batman" (2004)
    Pros: not an imported bad anime from Japan
    Cons: Batman was the biggest criminal on the show with the way he endangered the lives of two children/screwing up the villians especially clayface

    Batman Begins (2005)
    Pros: Morgan Freeman
    Cons: Batman being trained and inspired by Ra so he thanks him by killing him. That is love for you.
     
  18. amdmiami

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    Batman (1989):
    Pro: The movie that popularized super hero movies
    Con: Keaton is not good as Batman

    Batman Returns:
    Pro: Very dark
    Con: It felt very weird and Tim Burtonesque

    Batman: The animated series:
    Pros: One of the best animated shows ever put on TV
    Con: Too short

    Batman Beyond:
    Pros: Very good stories; also got very dark for a kids show
    Cons: Too short

    Batman Forever:
    Pros: The visuals/costumes/sets were very well done
    Cons: Too over the top

    Batman and Robin:
    Pros: My ultimate guilty pleasure
    Cons: Stupidly written and cliche

    Batman Begins:
    Pros: Good storyline
    Con: Dragged in some parts

    Dark Knight:
    Pros: Best live action Batman movie
    Con: Bale's batman voice
     
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  19. HRHTheKING

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman

    Positive = Michael Keaton
    Negative = The idiotic Prince songs.

    Batman Returns

    Positive = Michelle Pfieffer.

    Negative = The Penguin having been found by ACTUAL penguins and having an army of ACTUAL penguins with frickin rockets and probably laser beams on their frickin backs.

    Batman Forever and Batman and Robin

    Positive = Barbara Ling's production designs of Gotham City. The buildings looked colossus and awesome.

    Negative = Everything else.

    Batman Begins

    Positive = Pretty much everything except Katie Holmes

    Negative = Katie Holmes

    The Dark Knight

    Positive = Everything

    Negative = Rachel Dawes. I just didn't like the character at all.
     
  20. The Borgified Corpse

    The Borgified Corpse Admiral Admiral

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    Re: Constructive criticism: One thing positive, negative about the Bat

    Batman Forever is less campy than Batman & Robin. However, I'd say it's still campy enough that you might as well go whole hog, which it didn't. It's neither one thing nor the other. Batman & Robin at least sinks so low that it bounces back up a bit into so-bad-it's-good territory.

    And, like you said, it has Uma Thurman.:drool:

    I'll grant you that with Conroy. However, it's not like we don't know what Mark Hamill looks like. And I'd say, as he's gotten older, he's gotten creepier & creepier looking. Perfect for the Joker, IMO.

    MY PROS & CONS:

    Batman (1943)
    PRO: Wildly entertaining as an unashamedly un-P.C. time capsule.
    CON: Racist anti-Japanese propaganda that glorifies rounding up Japanese-Americans into internment camps during WWII.

    Batman (1989)
    PRO: Dark epic. Good production design.
    CON: Meandering story.

    Batman Returns
    PRO: A beautiful gothic fairy tale. It's one of Tim Burton's greatest movies.
    CON: Nothing that I can articulate.

    Batman: The Animated Series
    PRO: Load of memorable villains-- Harley Quinn, Clayface, Two-Face, Scarface, Mark Hamill as the Joker.
    CON: The redesign in the later seasons.

    Batman Forever
    PRO: An excellent time capsule of excessive 1990s summer blockbusters. They just don't make 'em like this anymore.
    CON: Ruined Two-Face.

    Batman & Robin
    PRO: Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy.:drool:
    CON: The worst editing continuity I've ever seen in a major studio release.

    Batman Beyond
    PRO: The Return of the Joker. 'Nuff said.
    CON: Weak rogues gallery.

    Batman Begins
    PRO: Finally, a Batman movie that really gets into Bruce Wayne's head.
    CON: Sloppy climax. Can't tell what's going on during the fight scenes.

    The Dark Knight
    PRO: Heath Ledger as the Joker.
    CON: Bruce Wayne gets sidelined. I never felt the same intimacy with the character that I did in Batman Begins. The ending also has some dubious social/political messages. ("I'll let people believe I'm a murderer because hope is more important than the truth.":wtf:)