Commander Sela's insanely stupid plan to conquer Vulcan

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  1. patspring83

    patspring83 Ensign Newbie

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    A invasion with only three ships with 2000 "Troops" With surprise on it side
    ever read Red Strom Rising the USSR invasion of Iceland
     
  2. R. Star

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    How did that end again? ;)
     
  3. patspring83

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    Not well for the USSR but it was a insane plan too but Iceland was occupied

    Sela plan may have workd if only for maybe a week or two
     
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    Sela plan was domed because it call for three real Vulcan cargo ships

    Not federation looking cargo ship made in the romulan star empire and had to use the Unification movement as cover for a suprprise invasion
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Sela's plan:

    1) Send three ships to Vulcan
    2) ?
    3) Profit
     
  6. Timo

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    But the thing is, it didn't.

    The plan was to send Romulan "peace envoys" to Vulcan. Vulcans would know they would be Romulans coming from Romulus. So there'd be no point in not sending them in Romulan ships.

    Indeed, using old Vulcan ships would just confuse the issue and make everybody suspicious: why are these Romulan peace envoys using old Vulcan ships? Where did they get them? If they are space pirates who steal Vulcan ships, how can they be taken seriously as peace envoys?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  7. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Vulcans vs. Romulans = Non Interference Policy = A strictly internal matter.

    Starfleet, and all Vulcans in Star Fleet have to take a step back from any Romulan occupation of Vulcan.

    Vulcan would have to withdraw from the Federation, or most to all of the Vulcan's in Starfleet would have to resign their Starfleet Commissions which would drastically weaken the Federation, opening the Neutral Zone like a flower licked by the first drip of morning sunlight.

    This loophole would not come into effect until the Romulan ships made landfall and there were boots on the ground.
     
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  8. Tiberius

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    Of course, the smart way to do it would have been to put actual Romulan diplomats on those Vulcan ships who actually thought they were working for reunification. And put all the soldiers on the freaking cloaked warbird that had managed to sneak into Federation space.

    That way, it all looks legit.
     
  9. Melakon

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    But with Vulcan as a Federation member, wouldn't Starfleet be obligated to help defend the planet? Though that might require Vulcan to formally make the request followed by a vote in the Federation Council.
     
  10. Squiggy

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    And then what? The Federation would just stand by while one of their founding worlds was occupied by a couple thousand evil-doers?
     
  11. JirinPanthosa

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    That's not a strictly internal matter, that's a Federation world being attacked by a non-Federation world. And even if the Romulans can point to that in the charter and say "See, you have to leave us alone!" I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to violate the prime directive to stop their mortal enemy from having a military foothold right next to Earth.

    If the Federation can't even protect its own planets from outside invaders, being a Federation member is about as useful as being a UN member.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    A former human colony decides that it's done with deep space, and wants to come home to earth.

    Say, a couple thousand people.

    Earth replies "No thank you"

    These earthward bound former colonists respond "I believe we are human and that is our homeworld too and we have every moral right available to resettle in the lands our ancestors helped build up just as much as yours did."

    Who is verbally repelling this "invasion"?

    The Human Government of Earth or the Federation seat in Paris?

    Is there still a United Earth Government?

    Do you really think that aliens, roll a dice, the president is most likely an alien, but even then he or she is only a mouth piece for a hundred and 50 member worlds of which earth doesn't have a voice since the federation Council speaks for earth who has a representative Counsellor on site who can't speak for earth if Earth has no voice... As I was saying, do you really think that aliens have a right to tell humans beings that they are not welcome on Earth?

    If the United Earth Government still exists, what does it do if the Federation seat already does everything? ...And why would the Federation Counsellors agree to Govern Earth or speak for earth when it sets a precedence that could see their own world turned into an annex just like Earth?

    The Non interference policy that may or may not be the prime directive says that the Federation stays out of internal matters.

    What if two member worlds go to war?

    Does the Federation pick a side or wash their hands of both?

    How can two member worlds go to war if everything is decided on earth and no member world has it's own voice?

    The Novels claim that Mars is a member world separate and unique of Earth.

    What if Mars and Earth decided to go to war?

    What Earthlings do within Earthspace sounds like Earthly problems to me... However as the mildy retarded ugly sister of the founding members I can also seeing humanity symbolically leasing or selling Earth to the Federation to act as the government of the Federation to assure it's seat at the table... But from the original 5, the youngest Federation wouldn't need a whole world to govern the itself, maybe just a non aligned space station in neutral space?

    Do member worlds retain any sovereign rights? Their own unique governments, or are they all slaves whose soil is occupied by Federation troops dictating right from wrong?

    That seems unlikely.

    All this, Vulcan on Vulcan, ditto.