Clip #4 - Meeting Carol

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  1. TommyW

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    Something vaguely Shatneresque about Pine's delivery in this scene.

    Giving her the pseudonym "Wallace" is a nice little trivia/continuity nod to TOS as well.
     
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    Spock acts like he is jealous!
     
  4. Rhaven

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    Sure does.
     
  5. indranee

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    That's cos he is.

    So, I guess she's not the lab tech at the academy in this timeline AND is British to boot.

    Sigh.
     
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    Well, canonically she never was the lab tech at the academy.
     
  7. Garak

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    I dig the accent but lament the unnecessary layers of clothing.
     
  8. Nightowl1701

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    Okay, so, the obvious - Carol is hiding her family ties to Admiral Marcus. Why? And how and when does Kirk and co. learn otherwise? Is the British accent (I know, I know, it's Alice's real voice) part of the act?

    'Wallace' was a nice nod. :) Though I'd have loved it if she'd used the first name 'Janet' too, I guess (for those of us who already know who Alice is playing) it would have been too much of a tip-off that Carol ain't necessarily one of the good guys in this one. Her mother could have divorced/remarried and Carol took Step-daddy's last name.
     
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    I don't think she's necessarily hiding anything.
    I think I read somewhere that Wallace is supposed to be her mothers name. Maybe she and daddy are having a few issues and she's not using his name as a result.
    Or she doesn't want people to think she's advancing in Starfleet because of her name and favors from the Admiral.
     
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    Which, if true, would beautifully set up her conflict with Kirk (who EVERYBODY thinks has cashed in on George Senior's heroic legacy and having Pike for a guardian angel).
     
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    Pine really channels some classic Kirk in that scene, loved it.
     
  12. Gsam

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    I'm sure this seems a rather silly post, but I am thinking outloud..

    Is it safe to assume that Kirk and Carol Marcus are not romantically involved in this movie as it appears that he is meeting her for the first time?

    And yes Spock appears to be incredibly jealous...nice touch that she sits between them. Is this symbolic of her role in the movie? Does she indeed come between Kirk and Spock?

    Bones looks a little curious or perhaps put off as well...

    Thoughts on this anyone....
     
  13. indranee

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    I'm sure the fanfic will come fast n furious once the movie's been watched.
     
  14. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Perhaps that's why in TWOK, Mr. Spock and Carol's greeting is a bit cold when she beams aboard the Enterprise.
    :lol:
     
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    No doubt.
     
  16. Franklin

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    That memory crossed my mind, too. At the time I thought it was a less than cordial greeting, even for Spock. I don't recall if Spock Prime even looked her in the eyes when he greeted her in TWOK.

    The only people to whom the name "Carol Marcus" means anything is fans, and maybe just the old ones. From what I've read about how the story unfolds, I don't see any reason why she couldn't have been a brand new character (and just give Admirial Marcus the same surname if it's important that she's his daughter).

    (Actually, way, way back, didn't Orci or someone say Eve's character was new to canon? Maybe not.)

    So why her? I'm overthinking it, and I know this wasn't any of the creators' motivation, but what I find interesting in choosing to make her Carol Marcus is how she represents a contrast between the two universes. In the prime universe, Carol Marcus is a brilliant molecular biologist dedicated to improving and even creating life. In the post-Nero universe, she's a weapons specialist. Leads me to believe that Starfleet and/or the Federation may have had a type of U.S. post-Sputnik campaign to get the best and brightest to go into the defense and security fields in the post-Nero world.
     
  17. SalvorHardin

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    Nope

    http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/exc...haracter-details-talks-title-post-production/

    We don't know that much about Marcus' earlier life in the Prime universe. She could have started a weapons specialist there too, saw things she didn't like in Starfleet and changed her path in life.
     
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  18. Franklin

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    Thanks for finding that exchange with Orci. I honestly couldn't remember for sure what he said.

    Yeah that's true, we don't know anything about young Marcus in the prime universe. Further, a weapons specialist dedicated to creating devices that will kill may have a moment in her life when she decides to "give back" something to life and basically do a 180 in her profession.