Chakotay's Scorpion tale

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  1. xvicente

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    Anyone heard that fable before watching it in "Scorpion" (the episode)? I have but it was a turtle instead of a fox.
     
  2. Captain Kathryn

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    That's a classic story and actually was an old Native American parable, apparently.

    Also it was used in the movie Skin Deep from 1989.
     
  3. Gov Kodos

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    It's also one of Aesop's fables, his had a scorpion and frog. The tale goes a ways back.
     
  4. R. Star

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    I thought it was a frog too.
     
  5. Robert Comsol

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    I heard that one a long time ago but not in a manner suggesting it had been a Native American fable or involved a fox.

    Apparently, it goes way back but probably did originate in the Middle East, as the turtle and the scorpion.

    Bob
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    Was this supposed to be like Chekoff saying that Russia invented everything?
     
  7. teya

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    Well, see, you take an old fable from the Mediterranean region, change the frog to a fox and that makes it Native American.

    Well, at least on Voyager, it does.

    The Scorpion & the Frog also featured in "The Crying Game."
     
  8. teacake

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    Whenever characters start telling an aesop type fable to explain military strategy it's embarrassing. Unless they are talking to a 5 year old which they never are.
     
  9. Praetor

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    At least no gazelles were involved.
     
  10. teacake

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    :lol:

    And that gazelle is now our personal Trek fable, lucky us.
     
  11. Praetor

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    The gazelle was Trip.

    #mindblown
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    MIndtrip.
     
  13. Timewalker

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    There was an episode of Northern Exposure in which the character of Shelly relates the fable by singing it. The animals were a turtle and a snake.
     
  14. R. Star

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    Wouldn't a turtle's shell keep it safe from the scorpion on it's back anyways?
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    Hmmm?

    Maybe the Scorpion was riding inside the shell?

    Now no one's deluded and deranged enough to think that it was Seven who was The Scorpion right?

    Janeway was.

    She screwed over the Borg, and before they could fully express a tanty, she ended the Borg threat on her ship, as is her nature.
     
  16. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    I'm pretty sure that turtles can't swim if all their extremities are inside the shell, and the animal in Northern Exposure was a snake, not a scorpion.

    I might be mistaken about the turtle, but it was a two-syllable animal capable of swimming across a river, and native to Alaska. I definitely remember the snake part.
     
  17. teacake

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    I like the idea of the animal being a fox because then it's about an animal with clever sneaky attributes coming undone.
     
  18. Timewalker

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    Well, it was a snake in Northern Exposure. I remember that because the character was singing, not talking. The number of syllables and the rhyme were important.
     
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    Northern Exposure is one atmospheric blur to me now, with annoying bits.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    You're All participating in the longest game of Greek Whispers ever.