"cause and effect"

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by Immolatus, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. Immolatus

    Immolatus Captain Captain

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    just finished watching on BBC america the episode "cause and effect". Is their any books on what happened to ship and crew? thought if their is I might pick up a copy
     
  2. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored The Norf Remembers Moderator

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    Do you mean the USS Bozeman (the ship that hit the Enterprise)?

    Both the ship and her captain were featured again in some novels, most prominently the TNG novel Ship of the Line. You can find all their respective appearances in the articles below:

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Bozeman_(NCC-1941)
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Bozeman

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Morgan_Bateson
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Morgan_Bateson
     
  3. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

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    I can remember the first time I showed my girlfriend that episode. Finished the first act, pressed pause, and I said, "That was really good, I'm going to rewind it and watch it again." Then I hit play and my girlfriend though I'd gone back to the beginning.
     
  4. 2takesfrakes

    2takesfrakes Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I've been there with many a TNG episode. I know the feeling ...

    :)
     
  5. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    The only time in TV history that a show intentionally made the entire viewership believe that the network had botched the playback, & had started from the previous commercial break. I was almost ready to call up the local affiliate to complain, until I realized that the camera angles were different. That's when I remembered that the teaser had the ship blow up, which I'd completely forgotten by then, & I started putting it together

    There's a lot to be said about how TNG became very fomulaic after seasons 3 & 4, but watching that episode when it 1st aired was such an incredible mind game. TNG at it's format bending best
     
  6. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

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    The Bozeman was mentioned in the comm chatter at the start of FC. Of course that doesn't mean it's the same one.
     
  7. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It seems to me that the old girl would have had to have been retired, or at least distinguished in some fashion, since otherwise there would be confusion with the contemporary Bozeman. (The name would surely have been reused at some point, given the significance of the name in the history of warp flight.)
     
  8. Richard Baker

    Richard Baker Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I still have a problem with how just opening up the main shuttlebay doors and venting the air would produce enough thrust to move a ship th e mass of a Galaxy class and measurable amount (let alone what happened to the crew working in that bay). The main shuttlebay was immense, but the mass of around 4,500,000 metric tons being shoved quickly by just air seems strange...
     
  9. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm always glad to hear that I wasn't the only one to WTF when I turned on the episode and the ship promptly exploded.
     
  10. Marsden

    Marsden Commodore Commodore

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    :techman:

    Some one actually did the math, somewhere online, and it's barely noticable. Certainly nothing to get out of the way of anything faster than a tortise.
     
  11. Foxhot

    Foxhot Commodore Commodore

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    Not one of my favorite episodes.

    Tried to post this four times in a row to no success.
     
  12. Nebusj

    Nebusj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The fifth time he avoided colliding with csifiles.com.
     
  13. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I would have recommended depressurizing the main forums...
     
  14. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Venting HOT gas ...



    :)
     
  15. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I used to love this episode, then I listened to MacFarlane's fratboy and Braga's mopey commentary.
     
  16. Kobayshi Maru

    Kobayshi Maru Commodore

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    What I never understood is why they couldn't do both, that is Data's idea AND Riker's at the same time...
     
  17. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    What I never understood is why it never occurred to them to somehow randomize their course based on seeding from background radiation, or some other external random factor. That way they would travel in a different vector every loop and even if one time it led to destruction it probably wouldn't next time.
     
  18. JJohnson

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    Is it just me, or upon watching it again, did you see the Enterprise and say "that's a model exploding" ?
     
  19. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That assumes that the course they were on was in any way relevant to what ultimately occurred.
     
  20. tharpdevenport

    tharpdevenport Admiral Admiral

    Maybe -- hypothetically -- more than depressurizing the main shuttle bay: look how little time he had to explain and how many buttons he presses with his unhuman super speed; maybe he didn't have time to explain that he quickly added as much preassure as he could (remember passed scenes of how quickly oxygen could be brought back to an deoxygenized Bridge, or how quickly fresh air coudl be cycled) before opening the bay door, which could add more kick. Also, he could have opened connecting doors to the main bay, to add what little was there.


    Of course, how come none of the shuttle in the bay are blown out? What's holding them to the floor? 'cause nothing apparently is holding them, because we've seen episodes where somebody can steal a shuttle and the only thing he has to worry about is getting the bay door open.

    And what about shuttle bay crew? Everytime we see a shuttle bay, it seems there's crew doing maintainence. Floating flotsam?