Castle - Season 6 Discussion & Spoilers

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  1. Forbin

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    Messy hair just makes me think someone's just had sex, so I like it. :D
     
  2. Christopher

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    But it wasn't messy as in mussed-up; it was perfectly well-combed, just uneven in length, as if she got a bad haircut.
     
  3. Buck Bokai

    Buck Bokai Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    While I know that Castle is more about the relationships and there is the general idea of "first person interviewed" as the culprit, I was really disappointed in last week's episode. Most of the time the clues may be tenuous, but they are out there. In this one, I felt that there was no way to figure it out, that there was a lot of stuff that came out of thin air during the denouement.

    I mean, I guess the fact that he was an actor might lead you to the director/actor woman, but that's thin gruel at best.
     
  4. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Beats and Shouting Moderator

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    Her motivation and plan were very.....thin. I thought the rest was interesting leading up to that.

    One thing I really like about Castle is there is a minimum of interpersonal drama between him and Beckett. Even when she moved to DC for a while. It seems TV can hardly ever leave a couple alone to enjoy each other and have their adventures. Sure, there has to be some tension, but I like the way Castle handles their conflicts. Low key, without the constant threat of breaking up.

    I don't know if that makes sense, but that's what occurred to me today.

    :)
     
  5. Savage Dragon

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    Yes, I know exactly what you mean. Their relationship is refreshingly adult. I used to watch Private Practice with my wife but I had to stop because I couldn't stand how everyone in a relationship acted like they were in high school.
     
  6. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Beats and Shouting Moderator

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    Bingo!

    That's exactly what I was trying to convey.

    Thanks.
     
  7. bigdaddy

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    Yeah I agree, the relationship is as real as a TV show can be. There were a few rolling my eyes moments in 6 years, but I don't feel like the wedding will be called off at the last minute because of second thoughts.
     
  8. FPAlpha

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    Yeah, that's currently the one saving grace of the show which, according to me, is a pale shadow when compared to seasons past (especially seasons 1-3).

    I liked it a lot when Castle proposed and she nearly immediately said yes.. other shows would drag that out for whatever reason until the point of ridiculousness (anyone remember Lois & Clark back in the 90s when they finally came clean to each other about their feelings and they spend half a season inventing reasons that kept them apart?).

    Season 4 was a bit different in that Castle finally was honest to himself and said it out loud (even if Beckett claimed she didn't hear it) and they worked towards the finale all season long with the last few episodes kicking it up a bit.

    I still love the personal stuff between the main leads and all the others (the one a few episodes back with the arsonist that got Ryan and Espo caught in a burning building was awesome) but overall i feel the show has lost direction. The former main driving force of Beckett, the murder of her mother, is not mentioned anymore (even in passing) and the only thing currently that gets taken out for a spin is the 3XK case (which admittedly are some of the best episodes of the entire show).

    If this continues and current episodes is what we can expect from now on please put the show to rest after the season or season 7.
     
  9. bigdaddy

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    Because I have watched 85% of the show in the last year or so by reruns I never saw the season 5 opening which I guess is where her mother's murder concludes.

    So what the hell happened to that? I was hoping something would come up about that when Beckett was in the FBI.
     
  10. bigdaddy

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    Well... well... well...

    This episode was LOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG overdue!
     
  11. TimmyWl

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    Well that was a great episode. It was more of an episode to show Beckett's limitations rather than solving all the crimes. In the end there is really nothing that Beckett can do in the name of her mother's murder.

    I actually like the relationship between Beckett and Castle. There's no problem in either of the two. It's all what I expect of the show and lately the storylines have been shifted to more of Beckett's challenges rather than Castle.
     
  12. Forbin

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    The show does "dark" very well!
     
  13. Kirby

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    Finally a good episode! Although did we know before that Beckett was fluent in Russian?
     
  14. Jan

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    Yes, that was established back when she had short hair, though I don't remember if they gave any background on it. As I recall, she rescued Castle from a card game due in part to her Russian fluency.


    Jan
     
  15. Whoa Nellie

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    Season 2 episode 1 "Deep in Death" establishes Beckett is fluent in Russian. Castle is undercover in an illegal gambling den while Beckett, Ryan and Esposito are in the surveillance van. Beckett's ability to speak Russian is how she knows Castle is in trouble.

    Warmest Wishes,
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  16. Christopher

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    I remember Beckett's fluency in Russian, but I didn't remember Jonathan Adams being in this show before. His one prior appearance was over three years ago, according to IMDb.

    So how did this situation arise again? I think what happened is that the cops arrested Elena and she pretended to be a low-level courier rather than an assassin, and Narcotics fell for her story. I guess. It doesn't seem that she intended to set up Beckett, since nobody seemed to know who Kate really was until Simmons saw her face. Presumably Elena's suicide "attempt" was carefully calibrated just to put her in the hospital so she'd get the cops off their guard and could escape.

    Anyway, that makes it kind of contrived that Beckett ended up in this situation, that Elena happened to resemble her and be fluent in the same languages.
     
  17. Buck Bokai

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    Beckett: *in a Russian accent* Sometimes when I am bored, I go to Glechik Cafe in Little Odessa and pretend to be Muscovite.

    Esposito: Now that's kinda hot!
     
  18. Whoa Nellie

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    :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw: I love that scene! It is just too funny!

    Warmest Wishes,
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  19. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored The Norf Remembers Moderator

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    This is all getting a bit Lex Luthor-ish, but what if the resemblance between Beckett and Elena isn't coincidental at all, but a deliberate choice on Bracken's part? Say Beckett is getting too close to a break in the case against Bracken at some point in the future, and he needs to back her off or get her arrested. What better way to do it then to frame her for a murder and have the killer look like her and speak Russian like her (plus, whatever other evidence they can drop to frame her)? Maybe Bracken hired Elena precisely for those characteristics. Also, if he ever needed her to infiltrate some event, organization, or facility posing as Beckett, Elena would come in handy for that as well.

    Getting even more Machiavellian, perhaps this undercover operation was entirely orchestrated by Bracken as well. He let his assassin get busted, knowing full well she could escape on her own later, and had her fake the suicide attempt so she wouldn't be available to go to the meet with Simmon's henchmen. He either knew the NYPD would send Beckett in her place, or he gave them a nudge in that direction through some of his connections in the NYPD.

    It seems a bit elaborate all to expedite paying off his life debt to Beckett, so maybe he wanted Vulcan Simmon's operation to get shut down because it had outlived its usefulness. Plus, he gets to rub her face in the fact that he's untouchable again and that he's still out there, because he's a psychopath and they often crave an audience, an adversary, and the risk of being caught, which Beckett fulfills for Bracken.

    Anyway, I figured early on with how powerful and secretive he was that Lazarus was going to turn out to be Bracken. While he's not risen from the dead obviously, the plot and his character disappeared for a while, so it seemed like an apt name for his dramatic resurrection. Plus, it could be a way of sending a message to Beckett that he's untouchable, and he's egotistical enough to compare himself and his righteous mission (in his mind) in politics to a faithful follower of Christ.

    It was something of a bad cop reunion between Lem from The Shield (Kenny Johnson) as the kidnapper and Terney from Person of Interest (Al Sapienza) as Mr. Jones, Simmon's head henchman. Funnily enough, Sapienza's character also worked under a guy named Simmons on Person of Interest, in an organization of bad cops called HR.

    Nice to get back to a good dramatic episode and to return to Kate's arc again. I like a good mix between standalone and arc eps (whether Kate's or Castle's), and between frivolity and seriousness, but it had seemed to lean a bit too far in the standalone and frivolity department as of late, and often poorly executed ones at that. This was a nice return to form.
     
  20. intrinsical

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    Which begs the question... Why on earth would Bracken expose himself as Lazarus and expose his entire operation to the cops just to pay off his debt to Beckett? Makes no sense to me.