Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JD, Jul 15, 2012.
What are the chances that the story will be changed to replace the soviets with hydra?
I'd say about 50/50. I don't really see a need to do so, though it'd likely depend on who else they bring in on the villain side. If it's Alexander Lukin, then they'd probably stick with the Soviets. If they decide to tie Winter Soldier to someone else, say, Baron Zemo, then obviously it'd be HYDRA instead.
In some ways, the story already was changed to HYDRA. It's been hinted that Bucky survived that fall into the frozen river because of the experiments Arnim Zola performed on him.
^Yeah, and they even seemed to subtly set that up in CA: TFA when they went through Zola's lab during Cap's rescue.
Yes, the outcome of those experiments was a prominent dangling thread. Also, according to formula, when a character "dies" like that, he generally survives, because in some way all is not what it seems.
Seeing the promo art for the new cartoon Avengers Assemble made this announcement even more likely.
Seeing as how the GOTG appeared in TA:EMH, now we have their officially in the work film.
The cartoons as precursors to what's next seems like something for sure to keep an eye on.
Sam is Steve's most reliable modern-day partner, so it's hardly surprising news.
Mackie has already worked with Hawkeye, even.
I like the Falcon and it will be cool to see him onscreen. He can introduce Cap into the new age of crimefighting.
Although I really want to see the focus on Cap vs Bucky.
inb4 "NOW THEY'LL HAVE HYDRA BEHIND THE SOVIETS TOO!"
Honestly, aside from some shyness about even partial glimpses of the Swastika in the film, it's abundantly clear that Hydra does not replace the actual Nazis in CA:TFA, but split off from them. Hell, they're more or less a cross between the Ahnenerbe and the Waffen-SS, except less cartoonishly evil and insane than either.
And as for Nazi Russians? That's happened in WWII, and it's not that far of a stretch to have Hydra work it's way into the Soviet underground, especially given every other anti-Soviet group that existed.
I wonder if the Winter Soldier could then show up in a future Black Widow movie since he and Natasha have a past and did get together (I believe) in the comics after the events of the Civil War series played out.
Clint and he can fight it out in the Marvel movie-verse.
I wonder if either one will end up wearing their masks.
Like Christopher I'm a little amazed they'd go full on spoiler for the subtitle. I guess this is all about the general audience and the rest of us will spoil ourselves silly in advance anyway, huh? Even without that, it was obvious what the next movie needed to be about...
I like all the news so far about this movie.
Yeah, to most The Winter Soldier isn't spoiler material. To fans it's the same as naming it Captain America: Bucky Returns, though The Winter Soldier sounds a lot cooler.
I'd wager "Winter Soldier" only means something to a few thousand people
They may have spoiled it a bit, but this was going to happen anyway once filming started and we got to know which actors are on set.
And like many others, I'm glad they went with a sub-title and not just a number.
If anything I'm hoping that maybe the subtitle will cause people to google Captain+America+Winter+Soldier.
If that takes them to Amazon or some site offering the material, they get it and read it then it's good for the industry as well. No different than hearing about Hunger Games and people seeking that book out. Sales of that went up. Comics should treat more movie titles as ways for general audiences to easily backtrack to the source just as people do for DaVinci Code, Potter, Twilight or Hunger Games.
If that's true, then the fact that that was Cap's ol' sidekick Bucky from the comics in the first film is significant only to at most a few thousand more.
Most people filling the seats aren't going to care how the sequel hangs together with the first film, how it hangs together with the other Avengers films, or especially how it relates to the comics. They're only going to care how the film hangs together on screen the night they see it, just as they did for the first film.
If they need to piece it together with any other source material to make it work or to make it significant, or if they need to rewatch the first film first, then the sequel won't do so well, and that will be it for the film series.
In other words, whether the title's a spoiler isn't on the radar for most viewers.
Winter soldier means something else entirely to many more than a few thousand.
Well - I had no clue. I have been going back and watching all the Marvel films - out of order.
I like that Bucky will return. Sebastian Stan is a good actor.
Marvel is doing well at making good movies that link together if all are watched, but can be viewed as totally standalone.
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