Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, DVD

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How do you rate Captain America: The First Avenger?

Poll closed Feb 28, 2012.
  1. A+

    34 vote(s)
    19.2%
  2. A

    51 vote(s)
    28.8%
  3. A-

    34 vote(s)
    19.2%
  4. B+

    27 vote(s)
    15.3%
  5. B

    15 vote(s)
    8.5%
  6. B-

    5 vote(s)
    2.8%
  7. C+

    5 vote(s)
    2.8%
  8. C

    4 vote(s)
    2.3%
  9. C-

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  1. CaptainCanada

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    The pre-release publicity referred to them as the Invaders.
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    One assumes that after Cap disappears Fury steps in to keep the band together.
     
  3. CaptainCanada

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    This version of Fury doesn't really seem to be that old, from what little we've seen of him.
     
  4. captcalhoun

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    http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/wallpaper/238_841.jpg

    that wallpaper, from the official movie site, says they're the Howling Commandos. so, they're the Howling Commandos.

    pre-release publicity bedamned. you might as well argue Soundwave was in Transformers because that was how it was scripted.
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    May not be the same guy. May be his son, cousin or clone. They haven't established anything in the movies.

    Aside from which, at least one version in the comics has some sort of magic science life-prolonging thing going on.
     
  6. Skywalker

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    That's right. The Nick Fury of the Ultimate universe, the one whose appearance was based on Samuel L. Jackson's, fought in World War II and was part of a proto-Super Soldier experiment that left him with an increased lifespan/decelerated aging/whatever you want to call it.
     
  7. captcalhoun

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    Fury in 616 was exposed to the Infinity Formula which great extended his life-span, too.

    Ultimate Fury is effectively the UMU version of whatsisname Bradley from Truth: Red White and Black, a black test subject for the super-soldier serum that was then used on Rogers. it's revealed later on in Ultimate Origins, that he'd been re-enlisting and serving in the US Army over the years under different names. when asked, he insisted he wasn't Captain America or suitable to be one, but was willing to serve.
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    I've got to say, also, that contrary to some early grousing around about here the period costuming in this flick - not just the military stuff, but civilian styles as well as makeup, accessories, etc - was excellent and came across as completely right.

    One might hope that there will be an Oscar nomination in this category, given how much the Academy loves period dress extravaganzas.
     
  9. CaptainCanada

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    That's a retcon after Millar left and they briefly started making everything like 616 (before taking a hard turn in weirdness that is still going on today). The original Ultimate Fury was just a normal 21st century guy.
     
  10. The Old Mixer

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    The only reason comics Fury had an explanation for his age retconned in at some point is because he was a modern character whose backstory had him serving in WWII. When the character was originally introduced in both eras in the '60s comics, there was no need for an explanation...Col. Fury was just Sgt. Fury 20 years later. Add a couple of decades with the modern version not having aged, and writers had to start coming up with special explanations. There's no need for the movieverse to carry over that bit of convoluted comics continuity.
     
  11. Trubinator

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Just saw it again with some friends. Definitely an "A" film! Lovely character development, nice origin story and just an all-around classic, pulp hero movie!
     
  12. The Borgified Corpse

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    But wasn't his mother named Maria in Iron Man 2?

    Oh, good. I'm glad it's the serum. For a second I thought maybe she stole some of Steve's semen and used it to impregnate herself somehow.:wtf:

    :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

    All I know is it's from the same opera that Connor MacLeod is watching at the beginning of Highlander II.
     
  13. The Borgified Corpse

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    Samuel L. Jackson is an immortal. Not through any secret serum or anything like that. He's just such a badass that Death won't dare get near him.

    I really liked Captain America. I'd say it's my 3rd favorite movie of the summer (after X-Men: First Class & Thor). Chris Evans is especially good, particularly as the pre-transformation Steve Rogers (many kudos to the FX team!). I'd had such a strong preconception of Evans in my head as the Human Torch, more of an obnoxious, cocky type. But here, he plays the good guy with such earnestness. I'm very pleased.

    Peggy Carter is the clear winner in the contest for hottest Marvel universe babe!:drool: (Although Darcy from Thor still wins points for spunk.)

    Dr. Erskine was brilliant, mostly due to Stanley Tucci, one of the most underrated American actors working today. The movie lost a tiny part of its zing when he died.

    Thankfully, you had Howard Stark picking up the slack. When I'd heard his name mentioned in the trailer, I figured it was just going to be a brief cameo. Instead, he's an honest to god supporting role with prominent billing. I thought he was a lot of fun. You can see where Tony gets some of that zing but Howard channels it in a style more suited to the 1940s. (Although, sometimes, he reminded me of Johnny Depp in Ed Wood with a little bit of Robert Downey Jr.'s Chaplin thrown in.)

    Tommy Lee Jones does his thing perfectly as always.

    Hugo Weaving was sadly the weak link here. I'm a huge fan of his from The Matrix & V for Vendetta but here he just doesn't seem to generate any interest.

    I pity anyone who saw this movie but hadn't seen Thor, or did but didn't make the connection between the Asgardians & the artifact the Red Skull found in Norway. That plot point makes absolutely no sense unless you already understand that backstory of the Norse gods being real and coming from a world where science & magic are the same thing.

    "The Star-Spangled Man" is a great song.

    After seeing Toby Jones as the Dream Lord on Doctor Who, his character's bow-tie in this movie was a bit distracting.

    Other than my general lack of interest in the Red Skull, I felt that this movie's biggest fumble was with the deaths of Dr. Erskine & Bucky. Neither death felt like it really elicited the pathos that was intended. Although I did feel like Joe Johnston nailed the sorrow at the end when Cap's plane goes down, and later when he tells Nick Fury, "I had a date." :( I'd really like to see his reunion with an old Peggy Carter in one of the sequels.
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Not in the least - it's quite a chuckle if you've seen Raiders Of The Lost Ark, though, and if you have it makes total sense. :lol:

    One of the sequences I loved in the movie was seeing Steve in the USO tour - he starts out awkwardly and maybe embarrassed, but he puts his heart and enthusiasm into it and becomes great on stage...not because he likes the attention but because it's his job in the war effort. There isn't a half-hearted or cynical bone in the character's body.
     
  15. Noname Given

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    Well, lets be honest, the 'origin' of the Cosmic Cube has changed over the years as in silver age Marvel lore - the cube was developed by A.I.M.

    The new Cosmic Cube origin is explained well enough in the film so that you don't really miss anything if you haven't seen Thor.
     
  16. Valar

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    People talking about Fury's age= didn't Sam Jackson pointedly say he knew Tony's father and that the father was a founding member of Shield? Figuring that Tony is about late 40s in age, that makes Fury at least 60 years old doesn't it?
     
  17. The Old Mixer

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    ^Which is consistent with the actor's age, so no contest.
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Really, it's a detail that flies by in Thor and its origin is a detail that flies by in this movie. I know a number of folks who've seen Cap who didn't see Thor or any other superhero movie this year, and no one has had their enjoyment of it diminished by tath.
     
  19. Star Wolf

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    He and Tommy Lee Jones did play Marine Colonels and Vietnam veterans 12 years ago. Now Tommy Lee may have been too old for a WWII Colonel but he was in the SSR and not the Regular Army
     
  20. Duncan MacLeod

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    Technically Phillips was a general in the comics.

    There was a Col. James Fletcher who handled the nuts and bolts of the project though. A highly decorated Great War veteran who had been nick-named The American Eagle.

    I guess they decided to combine the two characters and so we got Tommy Lee Jones as Col. Chester Phillips instead.