Caprica - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 14, 2009.

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Grade the pilot...

  1. Excellent

    35.3%
  2. Above Average

    43.0%
  3. Average

    13.0%
  4. Below Average

    4.3%
  5. Poor

    4.3%
  1. Roshi

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    Actually it's Universal Studios! ;) But they already have my money too!
     
  2. TEH BABA

    TEH BABA Commodore Commodore

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    Neal Boortz will shoot himself in the head after seeing that party that man is afraid of a nipple and the word 'damn'. We need something of a naked sippowits ass scene.
     
  3. Jax

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    GRADE - inbetween Average & Above Average

    It was an ok start enough to get me to watch the season 1 pilot though than god it got better after the opening 30 mins was soooo boring. The Cylon stuff was done really well including the ending and I liked the character of Bill's dad but the family stuff was boring and the religious stuff loses me in places because I find religion well annoying but the whole extremists plot should provide some action that Caprica will otherwise not have I feel. I felt anyof the sexual stuff especially in the holonet was a vain attempt to make this show look sexy n edgy and seems something SCI FI opps SYFY might of pressured RDM and his crew to stick in.

    I still feel RDM could lose viewersin the opening half and the show will struggle on SCI FI IMO, its not going to get any new viewers than what BSG s3 & 4 brought in when the ratings went down for the franchise.
     
  4. Pingfah

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    Loved it.
     
  5. Gregsmack

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    What I didn't like:
    - Watching teenagers be geniuses is truly excruciating.
    - I'm still not sold on the idea of involving the Adama family so heavily into everything. Makes the universe seem a bit smaller to me (see the Dune prequels for being one of the worst offenders of this).

    What I did:
    - The actors playing Joe Adams and Daniel Graystone are both excellent.
    - The holoband copying someone's image + search engines finding personal information to make a "copy" is a great sci-fi concept. RDM continues to astonish me.
    - The shots of Caprica City and intrigue into Colonial racial, religious, and sexual politics. Lots of ingredients for a great series (and, if done well, a great universe when combined with BSG)
    - Joe's scene with Tam in the holoband. That was excellent.
    - Lots more, but nothing off the top of my head. I'll post more when I view it again.

    In the end I'm still not big on the idea of a prequel to BSG, but on its own Caprica seems like it's got some potential. Now, when does Jane Espensen take over?
     
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  6. Dac

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    When the show gets crap? :p
     
  7. Gregsmack

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    ^ That was a bit of a snarky comment on my part, but it's also a genuine question. Is she show runner for all of season 1?
     
  8. TEH BABA

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    any cast have a boob job?
     
  9. TheGodBen

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    It was interesting, I'm certainly willing to give the show a shot once the series begins next year. I'd say it was above average.

    The first half was pretty slow, and thank the gods the whole show didn't focus on those annoying teenagers, but why is every Ben on television evil these days? :( The V club was pretty stupid, I think that it is one of those ideas which is cool when it is in your head but visualising it just makes the whole thing tacky. Even lesbian nudity couldn't save it, and lesbian nudity can usually save anything!

    The second part was much better and I enjoyed the exploration of the two fathers willing to do anything to get their daughters back. Joseph's speech about seeing flowers for the first time was nice, and the scene where he sees Tamara again was heart-breaking. I can see him and Daniel being very interesting characters.

    My main problem is the Cybernetic Life-form Node. Those guys are kickass, but the idea that they contain the personality of an annoying teenage girl detracts from their kickassery. I guess I'll just have to wait and see where it goes.
     
  10. sidious618

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    Second half of it, I believe. A couple of interviews I've read with her have me a little bit more hopeful than beforebut still, I'm not convinced on her.
     
  11. Gregsmack

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    ^ Happen to have any links? I'm interested in what she has to say.
     
  12. Gregsmack

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    GodBen:

    Unless I'm mistaken, I believe only that one model shown at the end contains Zoe's personality.
     
  13. TheGodBen

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    But she's the prototype, she is the very first Colonial Cylon. It would be like finding out that the very first ninja was Hannah Montana, it would be very difficult for ninjas to seem cool after that.
     
  14. Gregsmack

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    Good point.
     
  15. Hartzilla2007

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    You know in the Razor Flashbacks it establishes that Bill Adama was a kid when the Cylon War started so it might not have to be that many years till the war.
     
  16. Gregsmack

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    True. If Willy is 12 in 'Caprica' that makes him 70 during the holocaust. Cylon technology may only be 20 years away from their revolt.

    Also, the Graystone household does look a lot like Baltar's. If it's not the same house (and I don't think it is) it's probably in a neighborhood or area where all the rich scientists live.
     
  17. MetroKid

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    I enjoyed it a great deal. I agree that the first 30 minutes were a bit slow, but it progressed nicely.

    I also enjoyed Bear McCreary working in some musical cues from Battlestar, it was a nice, and very subtle, touch.
     
  18. phrog

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    The Adama family theme was an especially nice, subtle moment that caused both me and the fiance to get a little choked up. Overall, the show, I thought, was excellent and tossed aside any fears I might've had about it. The acting was EXCELLENT as I would've expected from the folks involved in producing it, the show looked stellar, the music was actually a bit subtle in places, but rather moving in others with little notes of BSG in there.

    I bought fully all the Cylon creation stuff, thought the holoband was an interesting concept which I'm hoping doesn't get overused or overpowered, and all in all thought it a good torch bearer for the franchise and storyline. It kept the believable, realistic progression of society and technological feel and the focus on character moments that I've come to expect while adding some distinct and interesting political and racial issues that I hadn't seen coming.

    I'm on board.
     
  19. TEH BABA

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  20. Agent Richard07

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    You guys don't have to put everything in spoiler code. This is a spoiler thread afterall and besides, it's easier to not have to click on the code box to read each post.

    Anyway, I just saw it. It was pretty slow. All the people who've been complaining about BSG being a soap opera probably won't like Caprica. This is definately not action-packed. I thought it was pretty good sci fi though, and I like that we're getting a look into BSG's colonial society. I'd say that the "slow stuff" was average and the sci fi elements along with the BSG touches were excellent. In the end, I voted "above average".

    Here are some of the highlights...

    - The pilot didn't throw artificial intelligence or the creation of robots at us on a superficial level, it touched on issues like memory, consciousness and what makes a person a person, and it did so in more depth than I expected. I thought there was some good stuff in there about the building blocks of memory, and how we leave parts of ourselves (records/impressions on others) as we move through life. This was explored through Zoe, a 16 year old girl who was killed, yet "lives" on, first in a virtual environment, then in an actual cylon body as a conglomeration of her "parts". I thought that what was presented was well done and pretty effective.

    - Looks like "God" will also play a role in Caprica. Made me wonder if the development of the cylons as well as the attempt to return of Zoe to the flesh will include a metaphysical element in addition to the nuts and bolts of memory and machinery.

    - It was fun to see a society that looks just like our own, but with a BSG twist. Sure there were little things like the use of "cubits" and the word "frak", but I'm mainly talking about scientists and corporate suits observing a cylon in action in a test facility. That's an interesting mix of two worlds.

    Other observations...

    - The pilot reminded me of an episode of The Outer Limits with higher production values.

    - Zoe looked a lot like a younger Zooey Deschanel.

    - I didn't think the girls would play such a prominent role in the pilot.

    - It was nice to see William B. Davis. His glasses reminded me of Tyrell's from Blade Runner.

    - A lot of the tech was pretty cool.

    Final thoughts...

    - I didn't mind that the first cylon prototype was actually a 16 year old girl placed into a cylon frame. I find it interesting that the race of robots who wiped out mankind started off that way. It's a far cry from what we would have expected.

    - Does this show contradict what we know about cylons and their development? I don't think so. Virtual Zoe never struck me as more advanced than the centurions, she struck me as representing the building blocks of memory and consciousness which will be essential in the creation of sentient robots. Her existence looks like it will also lead to resurrection technology. A more advanced version of her could also serve as a "head character". Maybe that's what those head people were... Advanced cylons from another era. Now what about Zoe living in a humanoid body and looking like a human in an era where cylons aren't supposed to "look like us"? I thought we'd see that in the pilot, but we didn't and we might never see it in the series. If we do, I suppose she could be kept a secret.

    - They wasted Anna Galvin on a cameo. I hope we see her again.

    - I don't think that we'll ever get to see the cylon war or the intervention of the Final Five and that's a shame. That's unless the show can last and jumps ahead a bit.

    - Speaking of lasting, I'm up in the air about how long this show will last. On one hand, many will see it as watered down BSG and it'll get cancelled after a season due to a lack of an audience. On the other hand, it looks like a show that can be done cheaply and it might do moderately well enough to justify a second season or more.

    - Having a drama like this set on some weird planet called "Caprica" could be distracting and might make the show inaccessible to non-BSG fans. It does come off as a little too "out there".

    That's all for now. I'll be watching the series next year.
     
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