Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 14, 2009.
Just watched this last night. Didn't have the greatest of expectations.
I came away surprised and wanting to see where they would take it. Probably to really depressing places if BSG is any indication, followed by a deus ex machina
But yeah. A couple of really good parts, and for what it's worth I disagree with whoever said the Zoe actor was wooden.
Didn't mind the gratuitous v-club scenes at all. Makes total sense, the first thing you do with that technology is make one giant interactive sex club. If anyone has any illusions about what will happen if virtual reality ever really catches on, they're being naieve. Hell, this sort of crap happens right now in mmorpg's and second life.
She's not great, but she's not bad. After whatever review I read, I was expecting the worst.
Well, if Joseph Adams lied about (and changed) his last name, maybe he lied about (and changed) Bill Adama's age, too.
Meh. I thought it was crap. I'm VERY annoyed with Ron Moore's commentaries these days. It seems as though he looked through a thesaurus and decided he would forever more substitute "notion" for "idea" ... Just about every 10 minutes, he says something to the effect of "I had a notion of" or "The notion came to me" and I want to shake him and yell "The word is idea, you pretentious fuck!"
Listening to him, he is a completely pretentious douche, and he has this cult surrounding him, constantly telling him he's the greatest writer ever. Well, he's not.
The writing was sloppy, the acting stilted, with one exception - Polly Walker (Atia from Rome). The only bit of even slightly "cool" thing was seeling the feet of the cylon - they were the same shape as a battlestar.
Now, the music wasn't bad. The fx were generally decent, though a few times it seems like they did a rush job and were sloppy with it.
The entire concept of the v club was moronic, and the "oh, let's show boobies!" bit was just juvenile, at best.
Could the characters have been bigger cliches? Adama working for the mob? Seriously? The white guy being the rich, powerful know-it-all evil dude? The "genius" teenager who fucks up ... well, the world?
Is this seriously the best they could do? If so, it's time to let Moore and his cult go and bring in some fresh writers and producers.
Somebody here is.
I enjoyed it a lot. They need to cut a little bit from the V-club at the start because that went on a little bit too long. Still, nudity can always be fun.
The acting was top notch. Adama and Greystone are fantastically portrayed and they'll be ace characters together. I certianly liked seeing William B. Davis as well.
I was kind of hoping for a bigger twist at the end but then again it's only supposed to be a "wait 'til next week" cliffhanger as opposed to "wait 'til 2010!" I'm looking forward to the show.
Also, the Cylon just decimating at the end was awesome!
I too enjoyed it a lot. More than the BSG mini series. I liked the characters and the acting. I think the show has promise as it's focused on the human drama aspect and that's what it set out to do. I am happy to watch how this unfolds and with less money being spent on effects we may see this stay on the air a while.
Using the word "notion" is pretentious?
I missed that meeting.
I'll see where it goes, but I'm not betting on more than 1 season.
When used as a constant replacement for the other word, yes.
Edit: on second thought, I really don't care.
He says idea quite alot as well. If he didn't substitute it with notion half much of the time, it would sound like he's saying "idea" too much.
Wait... are we really arguing about this? God you're wierd.
I wasn't sure what to expect but needless to say, I'm hooked and ready for more. That was a very effective and compelling pilot. It took a little while for me to get into it, the FX early on was shaky, and the actors mumble ten times the amount of times on Caprica than BSG. But then it got going and became very compelling the the themes it raised. Well-acted, well-written, and well-scored.
Both leads were compelling. You can sympathize with both Daniel and Joe and know what they are doing is so wrong. Of course, this being Battlestar Galactica, there's no way Bill Adama's father could have been normal. I found Adama's background as a mob lawyer and his Tauron heritage fascinating. Some very nice callbacks to BSG with Pyramid and the reworked classic BSG theme at the end.
What we learned about the Taurons does tie-in to the little we discovered from BSG. In "Hero", the cover story Adama and Bulldog used for the Cylon spy mission was that they were spying on Tauron rebels who had a history of giving the Fleet Admiralty problems. Not to mention Cain was from Tauron, which should explain why she's so frakked up.
Seeing the development of the Cylons was just plain awesome. I'm very, very pleased with this pilot.
Haven't read the whole thread but how about those deleted scenes? Each of them were important, featuring either deleted plot points or potential future storylines.
You know, somebody equipped Ben and encouraged him to do what he did. And that makes me wonder, did Zoe really figure out the creation of true artificial intelligence, or did somebody help her out as well.
See thats kind of the problem I have with the "God did it" BSG revelation. It causes every act that leads up to the destruction of the colonies to be possibly associated with "god". It could be argued either way that Zoe invented true AI or god used her to invent the AI.
This actually makes it more interesting to me.
How is that any different from real life?
Am I responsible for my own actions, or is there some greater power at work here?
It had to be Sister Clarice who helped Ben get what he needed. Listen to her words very carefully the last time she speaks with Lacy. Zoe was very special to us....is.....
Why does she add "is?" I'm still holding on to my apocalyptic visions theory with her. She's guilty as sin. She may think she's furthering along "God's" plan.
Also, she seems to be in on Zoe's plan, whatever that is. That she suggested to Lacy to visit the V-club again after Zoes death, tells me she new about her avatar and wanted Lacy to find her.
This is of course further strengthened in that deleted scene where...
Spoiler: deleted scenes
she visits the V-Club herself and meets an avatar of Ben Stark.
Separate names with a comma.