Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed.

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  1. Chrisisall

    Chrisisall Commodore Commodore

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Yes. Not exactly a feat of linguistic legerdemain with a degree of intrepidity.:techman:
     
  2. NewHorizon

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Yes, it is.

    Especially after viewing the fan edit "In Thy Image". They cut it down to the length of a standard episode. Sybok is no longer Spock's brother, a lot of the comedy is trimmed out, as well as some other embarrassing stuff. Really made the tone of the story a lot darker.
     
  3. JarodRussell

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Why do people have a problem with Sybok being Spock's half brother? I don't get it. Afraid of change are we? Are we also upset about seeing McCoy's never before mentioned father dying? Or about Picard visiting his never before mentioned brother on Earth somewhere in the middle of TNG? Worf's never mentioned before brother? Data's several never before mentioned brothers?
     
  4. Harvey

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    The problem with Sybok is his blood relation to Spock isn't of fundamental importance to the character. Make him Spock's long-lost childhood friend and the story is mostly unchanged. Moreover, it's awfully late in the game to be introducing long lost relatives of the principal characters. It's true that Spock can close himself off to Kirk at times during the television series (waiting painfully long to acknowledge that Sarek is his father in "Journey to Babel," for example), but by this point it stands to reason that the existence of a sibling would have slipped out between such close friends. Hell, McCoy had Spock's mind in his head for a while--it stands to reason that at least he would know.

    Your other examples aren't really the same thing. It stands to reason that McCoy would have a father, and given his age, that his father would probably be dead. That the circumstances were only revealed at this point isn't at all surprising, since McCoy himself has repressed this part of his past.

    Picard going home to visit with family isn't the same storytelling trope. He spends much of TNG closed off about his past, and as we find out in the episode, he and his brother are not particularly close. No surprise that he wasn't mentioned until that point.

    Worf's adopted brother was mentioned, and he was mentioned early--in the season one episode "Heart of Glory."

    Finally, Data...while I'll grant that there's a bit of a credibility issue at a certain point (how many Soong Type Androids are there, really!?) this at least gets a bit of a pass because Data himself didn't know about his "family members," which makes their lack of mention rather logical.
     
  5. JarodRussell

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    I guess we have to agree to disagree here. Spock not telling anyone about a half-brother who also betrayed the Vulcan way of life is perfectly reasonable to me.

    Kirk and Spock are friends, yes, but not the type of talking-about-their-family-relations-friends. Kirk might tell Spock, but Spock would never tell Kirk, that's simply how the characters are.
    I have various close friends who don't know anything about my family, nor do I know anything about their family. But we'd die for each other.
     
  6. Dukhat

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Spock having a half-brother wasn't the problem. The problem was the ham-fisted way it was dealt with.
     
  7. Therin of Andor

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    "Galaxy Quest" already did that one, anyway.

    My ST pals and I were in hysterics throughout a preview screening of "Galaxy Quest" and at one point, after the baby aliens turned into sinister gargoyles (Shatner had wanted hundreds of gargoyles in ST V), I had actually leaned over and said, "All we need now is a big orange rock man..." - and in he came!

    Diehard TOS fans were upset because DC Fontana had issued memoes during TOS that "Spock has no siblings", because they didn't want his uniqueness to be diluted, and it seemed that numerous writers were pitching scripts featuring Spock relatives. When Shatner announced his intentions for ST V, both Roddenberry and Fontana objected publicly. Fontana also slipped a mention of "Spock is the only son of Sarek" into her novel, "Vulcan's Glory".
     
  8. Joker

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    Oh come on. For all the whining going on, you all know exactly what Dennis is saying.

    To the average person who didn't already have a love affair with Star Trek, STV is shite. For all the "nice character moments" and "good story buried in there", the movie was incompetently made, and as a stand alone film can only stand up when you excuse all its failings, which are numerous.

    That isn't the mark of a good movie.
     
  9. 22 Stars

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    I would like to see a 'better' version of V but it is just so hard to do. Cutting about half an hour is a good start, rediting what remains and redoing every single fx shot is another. But none of that will solve the problem of the poor acting and general tone of the piece.
     
  10. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    How to make a new STV release an improvement over previous releases--

    1) Leave off the movie.

    2) Film William Shatner looking into the camera and offering a heartfelt apology.
     
  11. Chrisisall

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    My phaser is set to kill...
    :lol:
     
  12. plynch

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Eminently logical, Sarek of Vulcan, and may I add, humane.
     
  13. jefferiestubes8

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    From rob meyer burnett who is doing the special feature documentaries on the TNG-R Blu-ray's
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/01092013_robmeyerburnett1.html
     
  14. Lance

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    ^ I honestly think the same is true of ST: Nemesis. There's enough genuinely good material which was filmed but cut that could be spliced back in and would go some way towards saving that movie. It's probably true of all bad movies. But resources are such that opportunities like that are rare. One could argue TMP only really got done because it had Robert Wise attached to it (when one of cinema's great directors comes knocking at the door, you don't shut it in his face). Not so much William Shatner. :D
     
  15. JarodRussell

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    One could create a Kickstarter for a TFF restoration. Including going back into the archives and adding and removing stuff. That way, Paramount wouldn't have to pay one cent for the process, and they could still sell it on blu ray.
     
  16. CoveTom

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    Sorry, but no. I would support a kickstarter project if it were an independent non-profit effort like some of the fan films. I would support a kickstarter project if Paramount said they were going to give the resulting cut away for free. But I am not going to contribute money to create a commercial product that Paramount is then going to sell and make money on. If they believe there is a market there, they should finance it. Star Trek is not a charity.

    Having said that, I do believe that there is enough good stuff in TFF that a recutting of the film, ala TMP:TDE could produce something worthwhile. I still think it's something of a longshot, but given the success of TOS Remastered and the TNG Blu-rays, and the renewed interest in Trek brought about by the Abrams films, I think it's more possible now than it was back when they did the DVD releases.
     
  17. tmosler

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    I really hope this happends the final frinter could be a lot better with a directors edition
     
  18. Dukhat

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    No it wouldn't.
     
  19. Tosk

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    Quoting yourself is hardly a conclusive argument. And besides, he didn't say a director's cut of ST5 would be great, he said it would be better. And I agree. The only way is up. :)
     
  20. Dukhat

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    Re: Campaign to Restore William Shatner's STV TFF for Blu-ray spec. ed

    I was only quoting myself because that's my reply to another topic about the exact same thing, and I didn't feel like cutting and pasting my response here. And I don't agree that it would be better, unless it makes it better solely by the criteria that it makes a crappy film shorter so one doesn't have to sit through it as long.